2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Honestbuckeye]

And you guys wonder why shots are taken at OsU fans on this board. You continue to pile on and post random tweets from irrelevant people and articles about “sources.”

I would think a couple competent people would have learned their lesson about trustworthiness about media until all the facts come out. Clearly you didn’t learn your lesson since 2020.

If facts come out that rules were broken and there’s punishment, then reasonable Michigan fans will take it on the chin and move on. That being said, continuing to call people childish and deflectors because a few of you are acting like bitter adults shoving kids faces in the mud and some people want to actually wait for all the facts to play out while pointing out hypocrisy, then so be it.

When you say statements like “caught blatantly cheating” you simply sound like the emotional narrow minded of the world that convict people before hearing all the facts because the media told you too.

I am sorry SM- that this has me so flabbergasted. 

First- I have always had great respect for you as a poster here.  Your views have, IMHO, been pretty fair and balanced.  That goes all the way back to Tattoo Gate and the whole Zach Smith/ Urban Meyer fiasco.  I specifically remember you being reasonable and not piling on.   
Those times were so disappointing and embarrassing as a OSU fan. 

I didn’t care all that much about the Mazi Smith thing.  I may have poked the bear a time or two- but I never thought it was a huge deal.  Same with recent “ cheeseburger “ incident - my only thing there was I wanted it made clear that Harbaugh was not honest. 

But this thing- advance scouting to get the opponents play calls.  It just seems so unfair and has such a huge impact on a game.  Especially a game where 2 teams are evenly matched.

I have been rewatching the 22 game v OSU. ( I didn’t bother w 21- UM just ran them over )

Now as I watch the 22 game- it looks REALLY obvious that Michigan had a a good idea what OSU was running- on offense and defense- in the first half.  By the second half- UM was completely dialed into The OSU signals.  Michigan dominated the second half.  Not physically- they just beat OSU to the spot. 

Go back and watch it.  With an open mind. 
Plus- just look at Michigan’s record over this period both in Win/ Loss and against the spread. 



So that’s why People are so worked up.  They see this as an enormous in game, play to play advantage that Michigan has had. 

[Cincydawg]

Is it illegal (against the stated rules) to scout opponents and record signs?

Does everyone do it?  

This fellow got caught, apparently, but how many never got noticed?

Is it possible on the field to adjust defenses quickly enough even if the sideline has the offenses sign coming in?

[Temp430]

No one has been caught.  We don't know who sat in those seats the Michigan staffer bought.  If he was employed by the University of Michigan at the time and attended the game, its a violation.  If someone not employed by Michigan attended the game, its not a violation.  The notion that whomever used those tickets automatically became a Michigan employee is laughable.  What if he put them up for sale on StubHub?

[Cincydawg]

Note I said apparently.

So, it's a rules violation IF he was employed by UM?  Does anyone know the specific rule?

[Honestbuckeye]

https://youtu.be/nSRKhDe-igE?si=eivue6zmGZNOhAaI


Just take 5 minutes with an open mind, and listen to this.   


Temp- you’re so far off.  We now have evidence that Michigan paid people to film the signs of future opponents, 
Both in the Big Ten and potential CFP opponents  

We have substantial video proof that this “low level staffer” was in your defensive coordinator’s ear when the other team had the ball and your office of coordinator’s ear when Michigan had the ball  

Cincy, just look at the video that’s been posted in this thread of this guy, watching the other teams, signals, and immediately calling the defense.   It isn’t even a question and how you can deny it is because you’re invested in something and you’re missing the obvious.  

[Honestbuckeye]

Note I said apparently.

So, it's a rules violation IF he was employed by UM?  Does anyone know the specific rule?

That’s hogwash, and he knows it.  If the Michigan guy bought the tickets and gave them to somebody whose job it was to film, the other teams, signals, which we now know to be a fact, it’s against the rules, and clearly a breach of integrity of the game.

[Temp430]

If the individual was paid by the University of Michigan as a contractor it would be a violation.  If it's just some buddy the staffer knows who was not paid by the University of Michigan, good luck with that.  If the cost of the tickets was reimbursed by the University of Michigan there might be a potential violation.  I say potential because the visiting team does get tickets and some of those are routinely given away.

Its been reported elsewhere that the NCAA will be visiting Michigan tomorrow to discuss the issue so Michigan appears to be cooperating.


Michigan football: 144 years, 0 wins vacated.

[Cincydawg]

Would it be true that it would be difficult to signal in the plays to the defense in a no huddle offense?

Does anyone know the specific rule this would violate?

(There was a specific rule with the Astros stealing signs, it's not that you can't do it of course on the field, you can't do it from the stands.)

I'm not invested in any position beyond trying to understand this.

[Honestbuckeye]

Would it be true that it would be difficult to signal in the plays to the defense in a no huddle offense?

Does anyone know the specific rule this would violate?

(There was a specific rule with the Astros stealing signs, it's not that you can't do it of course on the field, you can't do it from the stands.)

I'm not invested in any position beyond trying to understand this.

Yes, in a no huddle offense- in college football. The only way to get the plate in is with some sort of sign or signaling from the sideline. 

By going to a huddle, you eliminate any real potential to run and up tempo offense

In the NFL, they just use electronics and connect to the quarterbacks helmet but that is outlawed in college football. I am pretty convinced this whole fiasco will change that.

[Cincydawg]

Yeah, just as in baseball the pitcher now usually gets the sign electronically.

I presume this was because of the Astros' deal.

I guess a savvy defense could pick out the QB's audibles in no huddle.

The Dawgs got called once for a simulated snap call from their D, which is interesting to me.

[medinabuckeye1]

If the individual was paid by the University of Michigan as a contractor it would be a violation.  If it's just some buddy the staffer knows who was not paid by the University of Michigan, good luck with that. 

Your attempt to make a distinction between "done by a Michigan staffer" and "done at the behest of a Michigan staffer" is laughable.

If the cost of the tickets was reimbursed by the University of Michigan there might be a potential violation.  I say potential because the visiting team does get tickets and some of those are routinely given away.

Michigan was NOT the visiting team.

Michigan football: 144 years, 0 wins vacated.

Enjoy saying this while you can.

Your institution already committed one of the most egregious violations in the history of college basketball. Now they have also committed one of the most egregious violations in the history of college football.

Dirty basketball program.

Dirty football program.

Dirty athletic department.

Dirty institution.

scUM.

[Mdot21]

I mean that's just a good game.. I can see why a rogue Michigan staffer on 50k a year would go watch that game on his own dime

apparently this guy is a super-fan loser and had been buying tickets and going to every Michigan game since the mid 2000s. he went from super-fan stalker going to every game and showing up to the teams hotels to cheer on the players to unpaid volunteer at Michigan summer camps to eventually getting hired as a low level staffer making $55k a year.

apparently he has made a bunch of money in real estate and is only working in college football for Michigan because it's an obsession, not doing it for the money. he's apparently got lotta dough already.

[Honestbuckeye]

That cracks me up. 

“ we didn’t break the rules, we hired someone to do it for us”

[Mdot21]

https://youtu.be/nSRKhDe-igE?si=eivue6zmGZNOhAaI


Just take 5 minutes with an open mind, and listen to this. 


Temp- you’re so far off.  We now have evidence that Michigan paid people to film the signs of future opponents,
Both in the Big Ten and potential CFP opponents 

We have substantial video proof that this “low level staffer” was in your defensive coordinator’s ear when the other team had the ball and your office of coordinator’s ear when Michigan had the ball 

Cincy, just look at the video that’s been posted in this thread of this guy, watching the other teams, signals, and immediately calling the defense.  It isn’t even a question and how you can deny it is because you’re invested in something and you’re missing the obvious. 

Lmao. Yeah, no. Valenti's rants are hilarious because he's so ridiculous, but not listening to him on anything Michigan related- he can't be objective on Michigan for half a second. And he also used to be better when he was with Terry Foster, his new bitchboy sidekick fatfvck Rico is somehow 1000 times more retarded than Valenti is- which seems like that should be impossible- but it's actually true.