2023 Michigan Season Thread

[SuperMario]

My serious take: if Michigan whomps their way through PSU and OSU and wins the conference, then there is no real controversy. If they get picked off somewhere and are in a "should they make the playoff debate" then this will be all anyone talks about and could definitely lead to them getting excluded.

That’s honestly a pretty fair take. Let’s see what happens in the only two real games they’ll play this year now that it’s out in the open. I think the rule is dumb and dated, but it’s still a rule. I think sign stealing has been going on a long time, but not at this level most likely.


I also think comparing Harbaugh’s first few years to his last couple is a little shortsighted as well. Michigan was a mess when he came in. Their recruiting level was well below Ohio State and arguably penn state for a while. Michigan State was also a player for a while and their somewhat collapse helped Michigsn recruiting. The talent level of the last couple Michigan teams compared to the Brady Hoke leftovers isn’t even comparable.

lastly, if it was no one technically on Michigan’s staff that was in attendance, what does the rule specifically say? Is it still a violation if someone on the staff bought the tickets or the staff have to actually be there? I know we have some legal minds here so curious the specific language and verbiage and the take from our legal minds?

[MaximumSam]

lastly, if it was no one technically on Michigan’s staff that was in attendance, what does the rule specifically say? Is it still a violation if someone on the staff bought the tickets or the staff have to actually be there? I know we have some legal minds here so curious the specific language and verbiage and the take from our legal minds?

I've seen people claiming that there is some loophole here, but I am dubious. The rule is very short and says in total: Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2. 


The exceptions aren't football related. If they find the actions were to scout opponents, I'm not certain that anything else matters. 

[Hawkinole]

I would be surprised if other schools don't scout like this as well. It is difficult to catch. Having caught it there should be punishment. But, perhaps the rule should be changed due to the impossibility of enforcement. 
What do you suppose a coach will do if Michigan fans, or Northwestern fans, go to opponents' games and email the coaches with the other team's offensive signals? Are they going to delete the email, or are they going to print it, then delete it? After all, it's information in the public domain.

[Honestbuckeye]

https://sports.yahoo.com/media-reacts-espn-michigan-football-210646079.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[Temp430]

Curious to see who is making these leaks to the media?  My guess is that it's the NCAA enforcement division.  Lots of pertinent facts still unknown which the NCAA should investigate.  Were these tickets purchased when Stalions was a Michigan employee?  And was Stalions reimbursed for the ticket purchases by Michigan?  While an employee did Stalions, or any other Michigan staff member, attend these games?  If not, its not going to amount to a hill of beans.   And I doubt any video on Stalions' lap top or the large laminated placard he carries on the sidelines during games, is going to make a difference.  Again, this is all media and Buckeye blowhards trying to take Chris Day's paranoid plot as far as it goes.

[Honestbuckeye]

Curious to see who is making these leaks to the media?  My guess is that it's the NCAA enforcement division.  Lots of pertinent facts still unknown which the NCAA should investigate.  Were these tickets purchased when Stalions was a Michigan employee?  And was Stalions reimbursed for the ticket purchases by Michigan?  While an employee did Stalions, or any other Michigan staff member, attend these games?  If not, its not going to amount to a hill of beans.  And I doubt any video on Stalions' lap top or the large laminated placard he carries on the sidelines during games, is going to make a difference.  Again, this is all media and Buckeye blowhards trying to take Chris Day's paranoid plot as far as it goes.

You are so delusional it’s almost sad.

First of all- this has nothing to do with an Ohio State. But you already know that.    That’s just you are delusional reflex.  Read the article I just posted above and all the media responses and tell me where in there is anybody from Ohio piping in on this?  This is a national story.

Second of all, they already have proof that this guy bought tickets over three seasons, two opponents games, just before they were going to play Michigan, and they already have proof that the person sitting in the seat was video recording the opposing teams signals.  Unless of course they are lying about what they have. 

why don’t you address how you feel about your team, breaking the rule of advance, scouting in person, and breaking the rule of using those advanced scouting games ( 30 times over 3 seasons) to gain an illegal competitive advantage?

[MrNubbz]

My hot take…Michigan’s OOC schedule was so embarrassing and the B1G is so bad that Michigan probably has to win both PSU and OSU games or they are out.

My hot take outside of the PAC - who else could point a finger regarding Strength of Schedule.The BIG was still 3 top 5-6 teams perched at the top.Ironically the strongest Conference this season is collapsing in on itself.Had the PAC done this well 2 yrs back perhaps it would still be standing,damn shame

[Temp430]

I do think this Michigan staffer's intention was to collect video in order to steal signs.  But I don't think he did it at the behest or blessing of Michigan's coach or football program.  I think his actions enhanced his ability to steal signs but was of marginal competitive advantage as are all attempts to steal signs.  If he or another staff member did not attend in person, no NCAA rules were explicitly broken.  When all is said and done my guess is that Stalions will be fired and banned from the sport.  Michigan will not have to vacate any wins nor will there be any kind of post season ban or scholarship reduction.  Maybe Michigan pays a fine.  If all this puts a twist in Day's knickers, all the better.

[Temp430]

First of all- this has nothing to do with an Ohio State. But you already know that.   

This is all the Buckeyes' and Chris Day's doing.  They gave the NCAA what they wanted.  If you can point the finger at Harbaugh sans facts, I sure as hell can point the middle finger at Day.

[MarqHusker]

Don't you all remember the page or two notice that used to be may still be in the media guide warning fans and other non donors that they can still be considered boosters even if theynarent using money.  It was a laundry list of things they shouldn't be doing otherwise the school could get into trouble.
Mostly to stay away from recruits. 

I'm gonna look for one of these. 

[Honestbuckeye]

This is all the Buckeyes' and Chris Day's doing.  They gave the NCAA what they wanted.  If you can point the finger at Harbaugh sans facts, I sure as hell can point the middle finger at Day.

Your dreaming. And making shit up.  You have no credibility because of it.  

Other Bug Ten schools have replied to the NCAA investigators - and found Stallions name on tickets- going back 3 years. 

As much as Day lives in your head rent free- you look like a complete dufus trying to blame him for your coaching staff’s blatant cheating- especially given you have ZERO evidence to back it up. 

[847badgerfan]

Don't you all remember the page or two notice that used to be may still be in the media guide warning fans and other non donors that they can still be considered boosters even if theynarent using money.  It was a laundry list of things they shouldn't be doing otherwise the school could get into trouble.
Mostly to stay away from recruits.

I'm gonna look for one of these.

I used to get a letter every year when I donated.

[FearlessF]

yup, me too

[MrNubbz]

Where did they send your mail the back nine?