2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Temp430]

Would you say this about the UGA offense as well, more or less?

Yup

[Mdot21]

Would you say this about the UGA offense as well, more or less?

No. Todd Monken >>>>>>>>>> Jeem's 'tism 'tard band of OC'ing and play calling.

Stetson Bennett attempted a lot more passes than JJ and threw for 1,400 yards more.

Both want to use the run to control clock and set up play-action, but one team opened up the passing playbook far more, was far more creative with their passing schemes/concepts, and had an OC/play-caller & QB combo that were FAR more effective & simpatico and had far more big chunk explosive passing plays of 20+ yards. That one is Georgia. Obvi.

[Mdot21]

Yup

nope.

[Mdot21]

Chad Henne who was more of a passing QB at Michigan completed 162/278 attempts for 1938 yards in 2007.  Don’t know where your getting your 3200 yards passing requirement for JJ but suspect its out of your ass.  Maybe if he was playing for BYU in the WAC in the olden days.

you're the only one talking out of your ass hombre. 

it would be a PATHETIC sad joke if JJ can't even hit 3,200 pass yards this year with everything he's got coming back against that dogshit schedule.

[FearlessF]

well, with the dogshit sched they will just run the ball, burn clock and win games by a couple TDs

this is the Big Ten

[Mdot21]

well, with the dogshit sched they will just run the ball, burn clock and win games by a couple TDs

this is the Big Ten

Yeah or just do what Ohio State does and blow everyone off the field before half-time by airing the ball out...why grind Corum or Edwards into the ground to beat a bunch of cupcakes? 

[FearlessF]

yup, I'd rather be up by 28 and playing 2nd and 3rd string in the 2nd half

[Mdot21]

this is honestly probably the weakest schedule I've ever seen Michigan get. It's hilariously pathetic.

The best team they face from the West is.....Minnesota? Is Minnesota really going to out-Michigan Michigan? Nah. @Nebraska might've given me a slight pause if it was a night game- but is a noon kickoff and they are breaking in a new coach and going through roster turnover. OOC slate is ECU, UNLV, and Bowling Green all at home. LOL. B1G opener is fkn Rutgers at home. Their 3rd crossover game is Purdue at home- who is also going through a coaching change and massive roster turnover like Nebraska.

They get Ohio State at home. They have to play Penn State on the road. That's their entire schedule....

[medinabuckeye1]

you're the only one talking out of your ass hombre.

it would be a PATHETIC sad joke if JJ can't even hit 3,200 pass yards this year with everything he's got coming back against that dogshit schedule.

I'm with @Temp430 on this. I think that @Mdot21 is looking at the crap schedule and thinking that increases the yardage that JJ should throw for but I think that has the opposite impact. 

I don't think that Harbaugh or his 4-game stand-in are going to sling the ball all over the yard unless they have to and I just don't see more than maybe two teams on the schedule that can force Michigan to throw. 

Also, how many 4th quarters will JJ even play in?

[medinabuckeye1]

As for the teams that might be able to force Michigan to throw, even that is questionable. The two I was thinking of were Penn State and Ohio State. 

Last year against Penn State:
JJ was 17/24 for 145 yards, no TD's, and a pick. Those are obviously very pedestrian numbers but that was because Michigan didn't have to throw. They ran 55 times for 418 yards and four TD's, an average of 7.6 yards per rush. That 7.6 yards per rush is actually more than the 6.0 yards per pass attempt that JJ had.

Last year against Ohio State:
JJ was 12/24 for 263 yards, 3 TD, and no picks. Those numbers are a lot better (other than completion percentage) but I think that was largely due to Ohio State's commitment to stopping the run. In that game Michigan ran 35 times for 252 yards and three TD's, an average of 7.2 yards per rush. Those numbers are good, but not as good as the results against PSU. 

Ohio State simply lasted deeper into the game before the dam broke. Halfway through the fourth quarter Michigan's rushing totals were 28 carries for 81 yards and one TD, an average of 2.9 yards per rush. 

Ohio State bottled up Michigan's rushing offense for three and a half quarters and JJ did enough to beat them. Even at that, his 263 yard total against the Buckeyes would be 3,156 in a 12-game season.

I don't see JJ throwing for 3,000+ because I'm not confident that tOSU and PSU can make them pass and I am fairly confident that their other 10 opponents can't.

[Mdot21]

I think Ohio State has a better shot at slowing down Michigan’s run game imo. They seem to be bigger up front than PSU. PSU defense seems built a little light in the tooth up front and geared to stop the pass and rush the passer. Not a good recipe for a team that has the OL and backs to ram it down your throat. Styles make fights. 

I am probably an idiot and PSU will now shut down the M rush attack completely, but after getting bitch slapped the way they did in ‘22 they’re going to have to prove it. No one should give them the benefit of the doubt. They were physically man handled and if not for a busted play by the defense where Clifford faked out everyone and popped a 62 yard rush and then a freaking fluke batted INT that game wouldn’t have been close at all ever. The score at halftime didn’t tell the story in terms of how Michigan’s front lines were just physically manhandling Penn State’s. It was like watching Varsity HS team vs a bunch of 6th graders.

[MrNubbz]

Also, how many 4th quarters will JJ even play in?

That is a good point if UM substitutes freely Their RBs should be fresh going deep into the season. Perhaps booger leaves his coordinators alone.JJ prolly could toss for 3200 but are those the teams goals?

[Mdot21]

just heard this on a podcast preview, Michigan has 7 guys on their two deep at OL that have started at least 10 P5 games. RG Zak Zinter (31), LG Trevor Keegan (23), OT/G Karsen Barnhart (15), OT Trente Jones (10) + portal guys OT/G LaDarius Henderson (29), C Drake Nugent (24), RT Myles Hinton (16) = 148 games of starting experience, add their top back-up at G Giovanni El-Hadid and it's 151 games. 

El-Hadid would be starting at most other P5 schools. RS Sophs Greg Crippin and Raheem Anderson would likely be starters at Michigan if not for Zinter & Keegan deciding to come back (both were legit NFL draft picks who came back) + Michigan being fortunate to get a pair of plug and play starting vets to portal over in Henderson and Nugent. They legit have 10 guys that could start at most P5 schools. Deepest OL that Jeem's ever had at Michigan. Yeah they lost maybe the best center in CFB, but their OL is gonna be deeper and it's gonna be better in 2023, crazy as that sounds. 

It's easily the best RB room that Jeem has ever had at Michigan. Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards are stars. Ben Hall was the star of the spring camp and popped in the spring game. Looks like they'll have a 3rd RB this year to spell their two headed monster- something they didn't have last year. 

It could wind up being the best TE room that Jeem has ever had at Michigan. Jake Butt remains the gold standard for Michigan TE's under Jeem- Erick All might've been able to surpass Butt but they only got 1 season out of All due to injuries. Colston Loveland flashed as a true frosh- probably more talented than either of them- and he's one to watch in 2023- could be a huge weapon in the pass game this year and have a big sophomore season.  

JJ is going into his 3rd year in the program after having a successful first year as starter and is easily the best player at QB and the most gifted QB all-around that Jeem has ever had at Michigan.

Bullish on every aspect of that offense except for the WRs. Think they have good enough talent there but nothing to write home about. Just a bunch of guys.

QB: JJ = very athletic + big arm, has every tool in the tool kit. RB: Corum & Edwards = total studs. OL: talented, experienced, rock solid, & deep. TE: Colston Loveland gonna be big-time imo. Oozes NFL talent. WR = MEH.  

Yeah there is like no excuse at all whatsoever for Jeem to not completely open up that offense. Loveland needs to get a lot of targets down the field- he's a complete mismatch for LBs and safeties- and they need to actually feature Donovan Edwards in the passing game out of the backfield and in the slot this year- who is like a cheat code in that mode.

[Mdot21]

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