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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2023, 03:15:30 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 16, 2023, 03:09:27 PM
great post, but UGA/Richt is a little bit different.

Georgia didn't have the history of an OSU or even a Penn State- they weren't a helmet and they still went through with firing Richt and going after Kirby because they wanted to become a helmet. Richt is arguably the best HC that Georgia ever had and they still canned him. They decided to go all-in on winning and bring home Kirby Smart and well needless to say it's paid off in a huge way for them.
That is a great point and if I had been Georgia’s AD, I would NOT have canned Richt. I'd have looked at the history that you mention and determined that we were unlikely to do any better.
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2023, 03:33:02 PM »
since 2004 every eventual national champion has been ranked top 7 in the AP pre-season poll except for 2010 Auburn (#22) and 2013 Florida State (#11) - both teams happened to feature Heisman winning QBs that were future #1 overall NFL draft picks in Cam Newton and Jameis Winston. 

since 2004 only twice has the #1 team in the AP pre-season poll won the national title- 2004 USC and 2017 Alabama. 

Since 1936- which began the AP poll era, no team has ever won 3 consecutive national titles.

Very likely that the national champion will be....UGA, Michigan, Ohio St, Bama, LSU, USC, or Penn State.

Smart money in Georgia vs the field would probably be on the field.
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2023, 04:20:38 PM »
I'd certainly take the field.  While I think UGA will make the playoffs, they would likely have to beat two teams nearly as good, or just as good, or even better, call it 50-50 in each game.  And of course they could miss the playoffs entirely if they lost to an 11-1 Tennessee.  I'd take the field on an even bet with just about anything.

.UGA, Michigan, Ohio St, Bama, LSU, USC, or Penn State.

I suspect some fourth team will make it in, Clemson or somebody.

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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2023, 09:34:45 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 14, 2023, 09:09:34 PM
I'm surprised to see that hard ceiling at #5 for Penn State.  With what they're bringing back, if not now, when??
On paper, this is one of the most talented Penn State teams in recent memory.  If this was ten years ago I'd feel pretty confident about PSU winning it all.  However, things have changed dramatically with the transfer portal.  The "top 5" go out and patch up whatever kind of small talent deficit they may have had, and it makes it that much more difficult for everyone else.

Also, Drew Allar is too much of an unknown to rank PSU any higher, methinks.
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2023, 10:01:09 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2023, 10:58:03 AM
James Franklin is still the coach.
Geez man.

Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin.  I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you!  ;)
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2023, 10:06:17 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on August 15, 2023, 08:38:29 PM
Franklin feels like he’s in that weird spot Mark Richt was with Georgia before he was canned.  Ninety percent of fanbases around the country would love to have his results.  Penn St fans wonder what’s keeping them from being Ohio St (and Michigan of late). 
I think most Penn State fans really like Franklin.  He has made steady improvement year after year, with the exception of the COVID year.  As for the COVID year - His family was living in Florida and by his own admission he really struggled having them away.  
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2023, 11:05:51 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 16, 2023, 10:01:09 PM
Geez man.

Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin.  I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you!  ;)
That did not sound right to me, and that is because it is not right. He's won three in a row, and PSU has won five in a row overall. 

Each has been interesting
2021: Just a rock fight. UW wins with even slightly competent offense. But I kinda put that in the "shrug" category because that UW team was in fact not very good on offense (and hadn't figured out the RBs)
2018: A game I'm not even mad at. UW's backup QB was in and totally in over his head.
2016 in Indy: Yeah, that one sucked, UW blowing a 21-point lead. I think that PSU team was probably a hair better, but that was close top peak McSorley

2013: UW was pretty good, but the QB was kinda teetering, while PSU was that comeback team post-JoePa. UW had issues on both sides, Hackenberg was a beast and they had some big late bust that iced it.
2012: UW was bad at offense, pulled out one of the luckiest late drives you'll see to force OT. UW missed a kick to end it. 
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2023, 08:05:44 AM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 16, 2023, 10:01:09 PM
Geez man.

Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin.  I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you!  ;)
I figured that would come up.

He should win against Wisconsin with the talent he accumulates.
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2023, 10:15:21 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 16, 2023, 11:05:51 PM
That did not sound right to me, and that is because it is not right. He's won three in a row, and PSU has won five in a row overall.

Each has been interesting
2021: Just a rock fight. UW wins with even slightly competent offense. But I kinda put that in the "shrug" category because that UW team was in fact not very good on offense (and hadn't figured out the RBs)
2018: A game I'm not even mad at. UW's backup QB was in and totally in over his head.
2016 in Indy: Yeah, that one sucked, UW blowing a 21-point lead. I think that PSU team was probably a hair better, but that was close top peak McSorley

2013: UW was pretty good, but the QB was kinda teetering, while PSU was that comeback team post-JoePa. UW had issues on both sides, Hackenberg was a beast and they had some big late bust that iced it.
2012: UW was bad at offense, pulled out one of the luckiest late drives you'll see to force OT. UW missed a kick to end it.
Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times.  And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game. 
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2023, 10:31:45 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2023, 08:05:44 AM
I figured that would come up.

He should win against Wisconsin with the talent he accumulates.
PSU has had a tough go of it as far as talent is concerned.  PSU didn’t have 85 scholarships until 2016, and even then it took years for depth to be where it should.  Then 2020 rolled around and recruiting floundered without in school visits and with franklins family hours away. 

Penn state has had some great star players, but this is the first year that they have had depth across the board since the Joe Paterno years. 

Look no further than 2020 to see this in action. Friermuth gets injured early, Parsons is ineligible because he thought the 2020 season wasn’t going to happen and got an agent. Journey Brown has a heart problem and has to retire, his backup misses the season with an injury… and their backups weren’t even close to the same level of talent.  Final result was a team that fell far short of expectations. 
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2023, 10:40:01 AM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 17, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times.  And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game.
welcome to overbloated conferences! where teams in the same conference can play fewer times than non-conference opponents.

bama and uga have played 7 times since 2010. only 2 were reg season conf game. and 2 weren't even conf titles games.

or bama/usc. we've played 1 time since 2010.
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2023, 12:18:50 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on August 17, 2023, 10:15:21 AM
Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times.  And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game.
Founding members UW and UM went 6 years without playing at all, after 2010.

Then they were designated crossovers for 6 years. Now it's OSU and UW, but it won't be for 6 years as originally planned.

UW better be really good in 2024.


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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2023, 04:28:12 PM »
5 at's in a row
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Re: 2023 AP Preseason Poll
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2023, 04:50:45 PM »
Carson Beck named starter at QB at UGA.
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