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Topic: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness

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bayareabadger

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #420 on: January 08, 2024, 09:13:19 AM »
but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome
I agree that venting is often nice and healthy. But I'm a dork and just was surprised that the examples were that very much just and fair. 

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #421 on: January 08, 2024, 09:14:46 AM »
and, with quite a few hours before kickoff........ gotta have something to talk about
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #422 on: January 08, 2024, 09:35:49 AM »
this is what everyone thought of Texas
Michigan > Texas on the lines of scrimmage, in the secondary, as an overall defense, and as an overall team. By quite a bit imo.

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #423 on: January 08, 2024, 09:43:46 AM »
yup, I was asking specifically about penalties on the Horn's secondary against Huskie pass receivers.

This was Minter's assumption

but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome

It wasn't the count, or the non-count that I noticed.  I have no idea where Washington ranks nationally in penalties per game.  I mentioned elsewhere, maybe here too, what I saw, which was several missed holding calls that the Huskies should've drawn.  I don't recall taking exception to any of the Texas (or Washington) penalties.  I had some serious head scratching going on with some non-calls that should've been flagged, and at least a few of those belonged to Washington.  

I wouldn't endeavor to say why that would be.  As a rule, I don't like assigning to malice what can be explained by incompetence.  

I also wouldn't try to say it's why Texas lost.  Their offense had all the intensity of a stoned sloth until the last five minutes and Ewers played a crap game against a secondary he should've been able to torch.  That looked like the bulk of the problem to me.  

But you can't listen to me.  I sleep with a Longhorn at night, so I probably have Stockholm Syndrome.  

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #424 on: January 08, 2024, 09:59:18 AM »
A part of me wants to get into this, as the above examples were not "egregious pass interference or holding or illegal contact penalties that helped the Huskies." But I tend to not get when someone is being tongue in cheek, and this seems like a bit, and thus not serious.

This is a bit, right? Or there's some mention of the uncalled penalties Washington committed coming? Surely the intentional PI and holds that cost 13 yards after Texas missed on third and 14 are not the strongest indicator of unfairness?


I already mentioned the non-calls.

And I'll point out that I never mentioned the officiating here, until someone asked.  The game is over.  But I'm not going to sit around and pretend I thought the officiating was in any way "fair."

There were numerous holds of Texas defenders by the Washington o-line, none of which were called.  If this were one of those games where the refs simply didn't call holding because "there's holding on every play" then I'd be fine with it.  But that wasn't the case.  They called holding, but only against one team.

Same thing for DPI.  Texas was called for a defensive pass interference that was no different than several plays by Washington defenders.  Called against Texas, no-called against Washington.

Like MDT pointed out, it's much more about the non-calls, than the calls.  If you're going to ignore holding and DPI, that's fine, it's pretty common in the B12 and I'm accustomed to seeing games called that way.  But they only ignored holding and DPI for one team, not both.  The sum total of the thumb on the scales, I considered to be egregious.


but, I'm all for allowing any Horn fan to vent about any and all penalties that seemed unjust or unfair and tilting the outcome

I don't think it's appropriate to classify my response as "venting."  Like I said, I never even mentioned the penalties on this thread, until you asked lh320 and me, specifically.
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #425 on: January 08, 2024, 10:04:47 AM »
I have no idea where Washington ranks nationally in penalties per game. 
One spot away from dead last, in the bad direction. 

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #426 on: January 08, 2024, 10:45:01 AM »
I don't think it's appropriate to classify my response as "venting."  Like I said, I never even mentioned the penalties on this thread, until you asked lh320 and me, specifically.
duly noted

although I felt like you released a bit of steam
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #427 on: January 08, 2024, 10:46:29 AM »
There were numerous holds of Texas defenders by the Washington o-line, none of which were called.  If this were one of those games where the refs simply didn't call holding because "there's holding on every play" then I'd be fine with it.  But that wasn't the case.  They called holding, but only against one team.

Same thing for DPI.  Texas was called for a defensive pass interference that was no different than several plays by Washington defenders.  Called against Texas, no-called against Washington.
Gotcha. The mention of obviously correct calls (one of them tactically intelligent) in sort of mundane moments had me off course, as did the sort of general mention of penalty numbers. Made it read like it was more of a "that had to be happening" instead of "I saw that happening." But obviously we know trends don't have to hold. 

That said, hopefully some deranged Texas fan assembles a video of the missed calls. Would be interesting, and we have the angles. It wasn't really like the penalties limited Texas much at all (maybe the procedure ones a bit), so definitely more on those harder to ID non-calls. 

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #428 on: January 08, 2024, 10:49:17 AM »
deranged Texas fan???

Burnt Eyes is retired ;)
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #429 on: January 08, 2024, 10:53:48 AM »
deranged Texas fan???

Burnt Eyes is retired ;)

He's popped up on surlyhorns recently.  I have the disposition to be able to manage through that lunacy, but I'm not sure it's a good thing for Burny to resume posting over there, given he literally has a brain injury... :)


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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #430 on: January 08, 2024, 10:55:09 AM »
Gotcha. The mention of obviously correct calls (one of them tactically intelligent) in sort of mundane moments had me off course, as did the sort of general mention of penalty numbers. Made it read like it was more of a "that had to be happening" instead of "I saw that happening." But obviously we know trends don't have to hold.

That said, hopefully some deranged Texas fan assembles a video of the missed calls. Would be interesting, and we have the angles. It wasn't really like the penalties limited Texas much at all (maybe the procedure ones a bit), so definitely more on those harder to ID non-calls.
There are definitely some deranged Texas fans that might do so.

Right now I get the feeling everyone is just letting it go.  Despite the officiating, as has been pointed out, if Texas had just showed up with its "A" game I think it's a Longhorn win.  Ifs and buts, candy and nuts, etc.

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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #431 on: January 08, 2024, 10:56:14 AM »
duly noted

although I felt like you released a bit of steam
Texans are sensitive - Who knew?
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #432 on: January 08, 2024, 11:00:29 AM »
He's popped up on surlyhorns recently.  I have the disposition to be able to manage through that lunacy
Ha!!! great portrayal and not the only shabby hamlet of unhinged halfwits - examples abound
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Re: 2023-2024 NYD/CFP Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #433 on: January 08, 2024, 11:01:31 AM »
similar to the Bucknutz board
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