2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

I think OSU has done enough to get in, TBH.

Good win volume is low. I THINK that's gonna be an issue, but I've been wrong plenty before.

Edit: Just as I write that, Lunardi puts them as the sixth or seventh team out. That plus a win vs Illinois starts getting interesting. 

[grillrat]

I think OSU has done enough to get in, TBH.

Meh.  Kinda borderline.  Winning tonight would be a huge benefit though.  Again, from what I understand, when the committee is trying to discern between two teams as to which to include, "who did you beat" is a BIG first tiebreaker.
Yes, you can have both teams with a 4-6 record in quad 1 games, but if one team beat a 70th ranked team on the road while the other beat a top 15 team on a neutral court, that second game does carry more weight.The quads / NET are groupings, not the be-all-end-all of tie breakers.

IU has a similar overall record as OSU, has a similar record against the quads, and even has the 2-0 record against OSU, but there is a reason that OSU is on the bubble and IU is not.  Who you beat matters.

[medinabuckeye1]

FWIW, I think you'd want Nebraska if the goal is to make the tournament. Nebraska is a Q1 win, IU is a Q2 one (and on the border of Q3).

Now winning both might not be enough, but if you win both, you'd rather Nebraska be the team you beat. Of course, if the goal is only to win the tournament and assume at-large is lost, IU is better.

The fact that IU is on the border of Q3 is irrelevant to Ohio State because Indiana cannot play tOSU without beating Nebraska and if they beat Nebraska they'll be solidly Q2.

I agree that a win over Nebraska would be better than a win over Indiana but I don't think it matters. I think that Ohio State is safely in with a semi-final win regardless of opponent. Also, I'm sure you'd agree that a win over Indiana would be MUCH better than a loss to Nebraska.

Most importantly, I think that Ohio State is vastly more likely to beat Indiana than Nebraska for at least three reasons:

• Nebraska is a better team.
• Revenge factor: Indiana swept tOSU while tOSU won the only meeting with Nebraska.
• If Ohio State wins tonight they'll be playing their third game in three days on Saturday,  same as Indiana. Nebraska would only be playing their second game.

Finally, there is an odd intangible that we have discussed on these pages in the past. As a practical matter the committee basically ignores the B1GCG because they don't have a choice. The selection show starts so soon after the B1GCG that the bracket has to be set in advance. That is why I am supremely confident that a berth in the CG ends all doubt for tOSU. At that point the Buckeyes would, at an absolute minimum, be close enough that the committee could justify their inclusion. That is a good news / bad news situation  but it is what it is.

[medinabuckeye1]

With all the fouls Ohio State has, I hope Brutus can play in the post because he might be on the court soon.

[medinabuckeye1]

Shannon is awfully lucky to be shooting FT's instead of ejected. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Oh well.

Still a hell of a recovery by Diebler after the catastrophe that was Holtmann. 

[Brutus Buckeye]

[MaximumSam]

Oh well.

Still a hell of a recovery by Diebler after the catastrophe that was Holtmann.

Gets real interesting now. Bjork in a tough position to not make firing Holtmann a catastrophe. Keep Diebs? Get in a bidding war for Dusty May? Going to be interesting, at least. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Gets real interesting now. Bjork in a tough position to not make firing Holtmann a catastrophe. Keep Diebs? Get in a bidding war for Dusty May? Going to be interesting, at least.

LoL.
Ohio State was pathetic with Holtmann and EASILY Tournament quality without him. 

No matter how difficult the transition nor how bad the next coach is, the only catastrophe in the firing of Holtmann is that it should have been done a lot sooner. 

[SuperMario]

I think this post illustrates just how hopelessly skewed race relations are in this country.

First because race is completely unrelated to the fact that Juwan's team finished dead last in the B1G by four games and missed the Tournament for the second consecutive year. That would get any B1G coach fired.

Second because Juwan's prior anger issues would have gotten any white coach fired. He literally only survived those due to his race and yet some moron suggests the opposite.

We have become a society of institutional dependency rather than one of self governance. It leads to blaming falsehoods and dismissing individual failures.

Juwan inherited a well run program from one of the best coaches you could ask for. He had health issues, but the current culture and results are his manifestation.

[MaximumSam]

LoL.
Ohio State was pathetic with Holtmann and EASILY Tournament quality without him.

No matter how difficult the transition nor how bad the next coach is, the only catastrophe in the firing of Holtmann is that it should have been done a lot sooner.

I mean, clearly they turned up the aggression and the improved over a handful of games. So that's good. But the overall program isn't going to be about that. They could get really good, stay average, or go in the toilet. Diebs could go and kill it somewhere else. So could Dusty May. What if Holtmann turns Depaul around? There are no moral victories - we will see if good decisions were and are get made or not.

[TyphonInc]

I didn't watch the OSU game, but reading the play by play has the Buckeyes up 3 with two minutes left, and every call then goes Illinois way? (6 straight free throws by the bad guys) Did OSU choke it away? did refs call it fair? 

[bayareabadger]

If they grab an outside hire, will be interested if they retain Diebler or if he takes some smaller job to start that part of his career. 

At least it was a fun game. 

[FearlessF]

Juwan gone

finally

Looser