2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[847badgerfan]

where was Hoiberg picked to finish pre-season??

12th, 13th, or 14th?

[847badgerfan]

From another board. Columbia is where USCe is located. Lamont Paris coaches there. Chris McIntosh is the Wisconsin AD.

[medinabuckeye1]

Out of curiosity....

Did that win just earn Painter BTCOY?

Who else could / should it be?  Maybe Hoiberg? 

IMHO, Painter is effectively intelligible because COTY is effectively an award for the coach of the team that most exceeded preseason expectations. 

A few pages back @ELA threw out the possibility of Diebler. When he became coach tOSU was 4-10 and Diebler has as many B1G wins this year in five games as Holtmann had in 14 but, given Diebler's short tenure I think that the Minnesota loss ended his chances because he probably needed to go 6-0.

[medinabuckeye1]

Based on this:

• Purdue, at expectations
• Michigan State, below
• Maryland, way below
• Illinois, above
• Wisconsin, even
• Indiana, below
• Ohio State, below
• Northwestern, above
• Iowa, above
• Rutgers, slightly below
• Michigan, below
• Nebraska, way above
• Penn State, above
• Minnesota, way above

As I see it, it is better Hoiberg and Johnson.


Minnesota is 9-9 and finishes vs Indiana tonight and at Northwestern on Saturday.

Nebraska is 11-8 and finishes at Michigan on Sunday.

Nebraska would win a tie with Wisconsin so if the Cornhuskers win in Ann Arbor on Sunday they get a double-bye and for the coach of a team picked to play on Wednesday, getting both Wednesday and Thursday off is enough to win COTY.

[FearlessF]

Ed Zachery

[medinabuckeye1]

FWIW, if Nebraska loses in Ann Arbor then I think that Johnson can win COTY by winning out because in that case UNL and MN would both finish 11-9 and Minnesota's preseason expectations were lower.

If Nebraska loses in Ann Arbor and Minnesota does not win out it likely means that they lost to Northwestern on Saturday in which case Collins would win it if NU also wins in East Lansing tonight. 

If none of those things pan out we are probably back around to Hoiberg although an argument could be made for Diebler at that point. 

I still don't see an argument for Painter based on exceeding expectations but if the field is THAT weak he might just get it by default as the coach of the best team.

[medinabuckeye1]

From another board. Columbia is where USCe is located. Lamont Paris coaches there. Chris McIntosh is the Wisconsin AD.

Greg Gard is in year nine in Madison:

• Two B1G Titles.
• Five top-4 B1G finishes and this year could be #6.
• Five NCAA Appearances and they were B1G Champions in the Covid year so it would be six out of eight. This year is likely to be #6.
• Two S16's.

I wouldn't pull the plug.

[ELA]

This is like 2014 in football, and that year Jerry Kill went 8-5 and finished 2nd in the West, after being picked 5th, and won it over Urban.

That made me convinced that no matter how weak the other options are, the preseason favorite is never going to win it

[847badgerfan]

Greg Gard is in year nine in Madison:

• Two B1G Titles.
• Five top-4 B1G finishes and this year could be #6.
• Five NCAA Appearances and they were B1G Champions in the Covid year so it would be six out of eight. This year is likely to be #6.
• Two S16's.

I wouldn't pull the plug.

Mac wants to win and win big. Take a look at Paul Chryst's tenure. He got whacked mid-season.

[medinabuckeye1]

This is like 2014 in football, and that year Jerry Kill went 8-5 and finished 2nd in the West, after being picked 5th, and won it over Urban.

That made me convinced that no matter how weak the other options are, the preseason favorite is never going to win it

This is a sore spot for a lot of Ohio State fans because it has been about 50 years since an Ohio State football coach won COTY. They point out that Ohio State EASILY has the most league titles and best record over the past half a century then ask how they could do that without ever having the COTY.

I view it as a badge of honor for the program. Expectations are so consistently high for Ohio State that the HC is effectively intelligible for an award that is given to the coach whose team most exceeds expectations. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Mac wants to win and win big. Take a look at Paul Chryst's tenure. He got whacked mid-season.

I get it but change can be better . . . 
Or worse.

Questions for you:

• How many league titles did Wisconsin win between 1947 (right after WWII) and 2002 (55 years later)?
• How many tournament appearances did Wisconsin have between Korea and the Gulf War?

[MaximumSam]

It is somewhat goofy to give an award based on how low the expectations were for you.

[847badgerfan]

I get it but change can be better . . .
Or worse.

Questions for you:

• How many league titles did Wisconsin win between 1947 (right after WWII) and 2002 (55 years later)?
• How many tournament appearances did Wisconsin have between Korea and the Gulf War?

We know the drill. Pat Richter turned everything around.

[847badgerfan]

It is somewhat goofy to give an award based on how low the expectations were for you.

Tressel, Urbz or Day never won COY, right?