2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[ELA]

He's just confused why Juwan hasn't taken a voluntary pay cut yet.

The one difference now, is with the portal, you don't have to worry about how deep the whole gets.  It's not like Michigan is going to be any worse off waiting a year, whenever they do make the change.  Whenever you pull the trigger, you can flip it in a year.

But they aren't just losing now, they are getting blown out.

[847badgerfan]

They need Wisconsin on the schedule. Then they will be fine.

[medinabuckeye1]

There were two unexpected results this weekend:

• Iowa's win over Northwestern in Evanston, and
• Indiana's win over Maryland in College Park.  

Review of tiers:

• Purdue -1, Illinois -2
• Northwestern even (+1/-1), Nebraska, Michigan State -2 (+1/-3)
• Wisconsin +2 (+3/-1), Minnesota -1 (+1/-2), Iowa +1 (+3/-2), Rutgers -1 (+1/-2), Ohio State -1 (+2/-3), Maryland -1 (+3/-4)
• Penn State +2 (+3/-1), Indiana +2 (+3/-1)
• Michigan +2 (+3/-1)

Updated projected final standings/BTT seeds:

• 16-4/27-4 Purdue
• 15-5/24-7 Illinois
• 12-8/22-9 Nebraska (wins tie with NU based on record against PU)
• 12-8/21-10 Northwestern
• 11-9/19-12 Wisconsin (wins tie with MSU based on H2H, won in E Lansing)
• 11-9/19-12 Michigan State
• 10-10/18-13 Iowa (wins tie with MN based on H2H sweep)
• 10-10/19-12 Minnesota
• 9-11/15-16 Penn State
• 8-12/16-15 Rutgers (beats tOSU based on 2-1 H2H2H, wins tie with IU based on record against the 12-8 teams)
• 8-12/16-15 Indiana (beats tOSU based on 2-1 H2H2H, loses tie with RU based on record against the 12-8 teams)
• 8-12/18-13 Ohio State (last in tie with RU and IU based on H2H2H of 1-3, swept by IU)
• 7-13/15-16 Maryland
• 3-17/8-23 Michigan

Based on that the match-ups for the BTT at the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota would be:
Wednesday, March 13 (Peacock):

• #11 Indiana vs #14 Michigan, 9pm
• #12 Ohio State vs #13 Maryland, 630

Thursday, March 14 (BTN):

• #5 Wisconsin vs tOSU/UMD, 230
• #6 Michigan State vs IU/M, 9pm
• #7 Iowa vs #10 Rutgers, 630
• #8 Minnesota vs #9 Penn State, noon

Friday, March 15 (BTN):

• #1 Purdue vs MN/PSU, noon
• #2 Illinois vs IA/RU, 530
• #3 Nebraska vs MSU/IU/M, 9pm
• #4 Northwestern vs UW/tOSU/UMD, 230

Saturday, March 16 (CBS):

• PU/MN/PSU vs NU/UW/tOSU/UMD, 1pm
• IL/IA/RU/UNL/MSU/IU/M, 330

Sunday, St. Patrick's Day, March 17 (CBS):

• PU/MN/PSU/NU/UW/tOSU/UMD vs IL/IA/RU/UNL/MSU/IU/M, 330

[medinabuckeye1]

Strange week, nearly half the conference has the week off.  Eight teams are playing this week:

• Purdue at Illinois Tuesday 7pm on Peacock:  Purdue clinches outright title with a win.  Illinois stays in the race with a win.  
• Northwestern at Michigan State Wednesday 7pm on BTN
• Indiana at Minnesota Wednesday 9pm on BTN
• Rutgers at Wisconsin Thursday 7pm on FS1

Then all 14 teams play this coming weekend.  

So here are the standings with what is left and projected results:

• 15-3/26-3 Purdue:  @IL-L, vsUW-W, 16-4/27-4
• 13-5/22-7 Illinois:  vsPU-W, @IA-W, 15-5/24-7
• 11-7/20-9 Northwestern:  @MSU-L, vsMN-W, 12-8/21-10
• 11-8/21-9 Nebraska:  @M-W, 12-8/22-9
• 10-8/18-11 Wisconsin:  vsRU-W, @PU-L, 11-9/19-12
• 10-9/18-12 Iowa:  vsIL-L, 10-10/18-13
• 9-9/17-12 Michigan State:  vsNU-W, @IU-W, 11-9/19-12
• 9-9/18-11 Minnesota:  vsIU-W, @NU-L, 10-10/19-12
• 8-10/16-13 Indiana:  @MN-L, vsMSU-L, 8-12/16-15
• 8-11/14-16 Penn State:  vsUMD-W, 9-11/15-16
• 8-11/18-12 Ohio State:  @RU-L, 8-12/18-13
• 7-11/15-14 Rutgers:  @UW-L, vstOSU-W, 8-12/16-15
• 7-12/15-15 Maryland:  @PSU-L, 7-13/15-16
• 3-16/8-22 Michigan:  vsIL-L, 3-17/8-23

Finally, NET and KenPom rankings for each team.  The format is league ranking of NET, NET, Team, KenPom

• 2 Purdue 3
• 15 Illinois 12
• 22 Michigan State 20
• 23 Wisconsin 23
• 43 Nebraska 34
• 53 Northwestern 46
• 57 Iowa 49
• 59 Ohio State 53
• 74 Maryland 50
• 77 Minnesota 61
• 91 Rutgers 91
• 94 Penn State 90
• 101 Indiana 95
• 131 Michigan 125

[grillrat]

Heh.  Diebler has more Big Ten wins this year than Juwan Howard.  Let that sink in.....

[grillrat]

Looking at the standings, as of this moment, every Big Ten west team is ranked #1 through #7 and every Big Ten east team is ranked #8 through #14.  Based on our projections, MSU is likely the only team that could maybe jump up into the top 7, but an upset at Indiana (which isn't totally out of the question) would keep the west on top.
Really weird year.

[medinabuckeye1]

Honestly, if he can get OSU out of playing on Wednesday in the B1G tourney, that would do it for me.

Right after Ohio State fired Holtmann this was @847badgerfan 's answer to my question as to what Diebler would have to accomplish to make you think that Ohio State should keep Diebler as HC.

They are now one game from accomplishing this.

If they win in Piscataway this weekend they'll finish 19-12/9-11. They'll be ahead of Michigan, Maryland, and Rutgers and no worse than tied with Penn State. 

[MaximumSam]

Right after Ohio State fired Holtmann this was @847badgerfan 's answer to my question as to what Diebler would have to accomplish to make you think that Ohio State should keep Diebler as HC.

They are now one game from accomplishing this.

If they win in Piscataway this weekend they'll finish 19-12/9-11. They'll be ahead of Michigan, Maryland, and Rutgers and no worse than tied with Penn State.

I wouldn't have an issue with it. It helps the biggest issue in basketball, which is roster continuity. The most chatter seems to be around Sean Miller and Dusty May. Both fine coaches, but May's program was very average his first four seasons, and Miller has a long track record of being good but the last five years have been a step below. So there is risk all around. 

[ELA]

Warde Manuel never makes decisions.

He also might want to make sure he gets all of his cars back from the players before making any moves

[ELA]

CBS CBB podcast clearly shares my mindset with what "lock" means.  But they were discussing whether UConn, Houston and Purdue are all locks for 1 seeds, acknowledging that means if they lose out.  And they all said yes.

That's kind of crazy.  That would be 0-3 for all of them.  But the 3 have such a lead, that even ending on a 3 game losing streak, they'd all probably be a 1 seed.

[FearlessF]

that might bother OAM

[ELA]

If they are also top 4 in talent composite, it's fine

[FearlessF]

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[medinabuckeye1]

CBS CBB podcast clearly shares my mindset with what "lock" means.  But they were discussing whether UConn, Houston and Purdue are all locks for 1 seeds, acknowledging that means if they lose out.  And they all said yes.

That's kind of crazy.  That would be 0-3 for all of them.  But the 3 have such a lead, that even ending on a 3 game losing streak, they'd all probably be a 1 seed.

As you know, I share the same mindset on what "lock" means and the lead of those three is so extreme that they are close to being locks for #1 seeds but IMHO, not quite yet.  Scenario where one of those three does NOT get a #1 seed:

• They lose out, and
• Either #7 UNC (23-6) or #9 Dook (23-6) wins out (they can't both win out) and finishes 28-6 (I think) and ACC Regular season and Tournament Champions.  
• #12 Illinois (22-7) wins out and finishes 27-7 and B1G Regular season and Tournament Champions.  

I *THINK* that both Illinois and Carolina/Dook would get #1 seeds and one of those would necessarily come at the expense of one of Houston/UCONN/Purdue.