2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[medinabuckeye1]

@medinabuckeye1  what data in the models drives such a rankings difference for those teams?  Or is there not much difference a NET of 136 and 111 that it is small differences that just look larger because the teams in that range are all clumped so closely together?

I honestly have no idea. 

I *THINK* there are two main factors:
First, @MaximumSam suggested upthread that NET does not factor in preseason expectations while KenPom does. That would help explain the biggest gap for a B1G team where Maryland is MUCH higher in KenPom because they were expected to be better. 

Second, I think you are right that the teams at 100+ are clumped pretty close together so I would guess that the difference between #111 and #136 is nearly statistically irrelevant while the difference between #11 and #36 is humongous. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Nearly half of our teams are playing tonight but they are all playing at home as double-digit favorites. 

[bayareabadger]

@medinabuckeye1  what data in the models drives such a rankings difference for those teams?  Or is there not much difference a NET of 136 and 111 that it is small differences that just look larger because the teams in that range are all clumped so closely together?

I think it’s a clumped situation. Underneath, there’s a power rating number, so there’s likely a lot working a few points of one another. 

[medinabuckeye1]

I think it’s a clumped situation. Underneath, there’s a power rating number, so there’s likely a lot working a few points of one another.

I agree. 

I can't tell with NET because I can only see order there but with KenPom it lists "AdjEM" which is a measurement of strength. 

• #11 is UNC at +21.99
• #36 is UF at +16.19
• #111 is PSU at +4.89
• #136 is YSU at +2.42

So the 25 spot gap between UNC and UF is 5.8 points while the 25 spot gap between PSU and YSU is only 2.47. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Well it was a boring Thursday evening for B1G but that is a good thing.

Friday looks more exciting. Wisconsin should win easily but for some reason it always seems like Illinois struggles WAY too much with Mizzou and Maryland has a tall task out in LA.

[ELA]

Maryland's 20 point lead at UCLA down to 4

[medinabuckeye1]

It is a pretty quiet week.  None of our teams play until Thursday when Maryland hosts Coppin State.  Nine of our teams play on Friday but all nine are at home and should be big favorites.  Three more teams play Saturday then everyone is off until next Tuesday when league play restarts in earnest.  

I don't think I'm being Buckeye biased to say that the most interesting game this week is Ohio State playing West Virginia in Cleveland on Saturday but that is not nearly as interesting as it might have been.  

So barring a major upset the final rankings before league play resumes will not change much.  Here they are right now, format is league rank (KenPom) team, national KenPom, NET:

• Purdue 2, 4
• Illinois 9, 10
• Wisconsin 14, 14
• Michigan State 21, 35
• Ohio State 27, 28
• Michigan 47, 69
• Nebraska 54, 57
• Northwestern 56, 71
• Iowa 57, 63
• Maryland 70, 115
• Rutgers 76, 84
• Indiana 83, 101
• Minnesota 85, 89
• Penn State 111, 132

FWIW, our soon to be added teams are:

• USC 46, 80
• Oregon 48, 68
• Washington 60, 58
• UCLA 84, 172

So tiers?

Maybe:

• Purdue
• Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State
• Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa
• Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Minnesota, Penn State

That isn't enough tiers and I think tier-4 should be broken up but I'm not sure.  

[FearlessF]

you may as well put Nebraska in the 4th tier now

[847badgerfan]

Maybe:

1. Purdue
2. Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State
3. Ohio State, Michigan
4. Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa
5. Maryland, Rutgers
6. Indiana, Minnesota, Penn State

[medinabuckeye1]

3. Ohio State, Michigan

Eh, I just don't see this. Michigan is already ranked amongst Iowa/Nebraska/Northwestern. Ohio State already has a loss to the B1G's worst team and . . . (shh, don't tell Max I mentioned it, but . . . coaching matters).

[ELA]

It is a pretty quiet week.  None of our teams play until Thursday when Maryland hosts Coppin State.  Nine of our teams play on Friday but all nine are at home and should be big favorites.  Three more teams play Saturday then everyone is off until next Tuesday when league play restarts in earnest. 

MSU against Indiana State might be a decent game.  ISU is 11-1 and #23 in the NET.  WVU is #180, right behind 2-7 Eastern Washington.  WVU has name value, but they have been horrible this year.  OSU should wax them

[bayareabadger]

Wisconsin has some insane amount of time off. I saw someone theorizing that part of it was another conference opponent not being interested in playing the conference opener a little early. It is also interesting that the Badgers burned through their entire nonconference schedule faster than usual. But on the other hand, they ended up with one if you were body bag game than normal. Which is nice, considering they were 9-3.

On the plus side, the point guard tweaked his groin in the last game, so he will have maximum recovery time

[medinabuckeye1]

MSU against Indiana State might be a decent game.  ISU is 11-1 and #23 in the NET.  WVU is #180, right behind 2-7 Eastern Washington.  WVU has name value, but they have been horrible this year.  OSU should wax them

I honestly didn't realize that Indiana State was that good and you are right, tOSU/WVU is interesting mostly for the name. It *SHOULD* be an easy game for the Buckeyes but we are getting close to the dreaded month of January so please forgive tOSU fans for not feeling comfortable. 

[ELA]

Probably the 2nd best player in the conference


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