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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #420 on: January 25, 2022, 08:39:30 PM »
I will never not be astounded that NC State ran off Russell Wilson so they could play Mike Glennon
Traded a 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder, straight up

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #421 on: January 26, 2022, 09:25:51 PM »
OC Brian Greene, who already has his masters from WSU, taking an official visit to MSU. We need all the upperclassmen OL we can get

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« Reply #422 on: January 26, 2022, 09:31:48 PM »
OC Brian Greene, who already has his masters from WSU, taking an official visit to MSU. We need all the upperclassmen OL we can get
New coordinator in the portal? Wild times.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #423 on: January 28, 2022, 01:44:29 PM »
This is absolutely killing G5 programs. 

I've started creating many for the 2021 season for Whoa Nellie, and I'd say more than half of the G5 players with big FR seasons immediately went into the portal. 
It's gross.
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« Reply #424 on: January 28, 2022, 01:56:36 PM »
This is absolutely killing G5 programs. 

I've started creating many for the 2021 season for Whoa Nellie, and I'd say more than half of the G5 players with big FR seasons immediately went into the portal. 
It's gross.
I’m kind of interested, who’s on the list?

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« Reply #425 on: January 28, 2022, 02:05:19 PM »
On3 (I think the 247 guys started it, and they employ Ivan Maisel), saying it's happening
shannon terry (bama fan, how i know of him) was co-founder for rivals and founder of 247. has a lot of ideas and ambition for that industry. good guy.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #426 on: January 28, 2022, 04:07:22 PM »
The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona.  
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment.  You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers.  That's one thing.  But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now.  And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around.  No foundation.  No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.

They're officially a minor league now.  Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't.  Because....reasons.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #427 on: January 28, 2022, 04:07:59 PM »
The above is without really looking deeply into it.  It's the fast-n-easy examples.  And it's only the beginning.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #428 on: January 28, 2022, 04:18:14 PM »
The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona. 
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment.  You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers.  That's one thing.  But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now.  And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around.  No foundation.  No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.

They're officially a minor league now.  Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't.  Because....reasons.
Pretty compelling point and evidence.  Hard to feel different.  Something sad about it.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #429 on: January 28, 2022, 04:21:32 PM »
College football is now akin to the Yankees and Dodgers scheduling the Birmingham Barons and Toledo Mud Hens for 20 games a season. 

Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles.  That was bad enough.

They're not just superior in every way, but they also get to pick and choose which players to take and suit up for them.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #430 on: January 28, 2022, 06:38:59 PM »
The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona. 
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment.  You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers.  That's one thing.  But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now.  And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around.  No foundation.  No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.

They're officially a minor league now.  Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't.  Because....reasons.
I assume you mean best defensive player from CMU, or another school, as their best offensive player is definitely staying. And you mean Player from Tulsa.

I find the placement of G5 funny in the minds of people like yourself. You've told us these have nots are basically high school teams. You've said it's just and right that they never play for titles. You've said that if they face the best, they'll be reduced to weeping puddles, lamenting their lack of masculinity. But now ... now it's just a travesty that they don't want to be on those teams. That they want to play at a level where they win titles? Where they're not on "high school" teams? And those kids are totally in demand on that higher level? It's goofy.

I'll say this, I don't care about G5 HCs when it comes to the player angle. Their whole goal is to leave all these kids. That's the mission. But here's the thing, I actually care about G5 football. I watch a good bit of it. I respect it and think about it more than most. But it is second-tier and always will be. This sport is unfair. Lower level success means a rebuild when some P5 disaster needs an infusion of hope. Florida's not sharing resources with FIU. Even wins head up the food chain, as three games against G5s make P5 coaches look better. But the last stand is the players? Their coaches' jobs are to move to something bigger, but they're trapped or it's "gross"? The onus of a rebuild is on them? A guy like Player gives four years to a school, but it's wrong for him to want a bigger stage in his hometown.

They've always in practice been a minor league, a feeder system. They have moments when a few teams make a little noise, but the ceiling is always there. The beauty is, it'll keep on keeping on in that understated way it always did. For every kid who moves up, some will move down and suddenly star, and the product will keep being what it is.

Edit: "Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles.  That was bad enough."

You've told us the difference is high school and college teams, but now the Yankees-Pirates is that wide. This is ... strained at best. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #431 on: January 28, 2022, 07:12:04 PM »
I assume you mean best defensive player from CMU, or another school, as their best offensive player is definitely staying. And you mean Player from Tulsa.

I find the placement of G5 funny in the minds of people like yourself. You've told us these have nots are basically high school teams. You've said it's just and right that they never play for titles. You've said that if they face the best, they'll be reduced to weeping puddles, lamenting their lack of masculinity. But now ... now it's just a travesty that they don't want to be on those teams. That they want to play at a level where they win titles? Where they're not on "high school" teams? And those kids are totally in demand on that higher level? It's goofy.

I'll say this, I don't care about G5 HCs when it comes to the player angle. Their whole goal is to leave all these kids. That's the mission. But here's the thing, I actually care about G5 football. I watch a good bit of it. I respect it and think about it more than most. But it is second-tier and always will be. This sport is unfair. Lower level success means a rebuild when some P5 disaster needs an infusion of hope. Florida's not sharing resources with FIU. Even wins head up the food chain, as three games against G5s make P5 coaches look better. But the last stand is the players? Their coaches' jobs are to move to something bigger, but they're trapped or it's "gross"? The onus of a rebuild is on them? A guy like Player gives four years to a school, but it's wrong for him to want a bigger stage in his hometown.

They've always in practice been a minor league, a feeder system. They have moments when a few teams make a little noise, but the ceiling is always there. The beauty is, it'll keep on keeping on in that understated way it always did. For every kid who moves up, some will move down and suddenly star, and the product will keep being what it is.

Edit: "Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles.  That was bad enough."

You've told us the difference is high school and college teams, but now the Yankees-Pirates is that wide. This is ... strained at best.
You're so eager to say I'm wrong that you're missing the point.
But I literally have the time to spell things out for you.
a - G5 teams play "high school schedules" is a phrase to convey that their schedules are weak.
b - P5 teams poaching the top X% of G5 players doesn't somehow equate that G5 teams are any better than I've suggested they are.  What good is 2 good players when they're facing 20?
c - The baseball team reference is sound.  The Dodgers won 106 games last year.  They were elite.  The Orioles lost 110.  Their ineptness was more severe than the Dodgers' greatness.  It's as far apart as it gets.  But somehow, because you want me to be wrong, it's not compelling enough for you.  Sigh.


Don't bother retorting, I don't care enough to spend any more time on an disingenuous antagonist.  
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #432 on: January 28, 2022, 07:23:00 PM »
G5 will lose their stars, but P5 bench warmers will fill those slots. 
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #433 on: January 28, 2022, 08:52:42 PM »
You're so eager to say I'm wrong that you're missing the point.
But I literally have the time to spell things out for you.
a - G5 teams play "high school schedules" is a phrase to convey that their schedules are weak.
b - P5 teams poaching the top X% of G5 players doesn't somehow equate that G5 teams are any better than I've suggested they are.  What good is 2 good players when they're facing 20?
c - The baseball team reference is sound.  The Dodgers won 106 games last year.  They were elite.  The Orioles lost 110.  Their ineptness was more severe than the Dodgers' greatness.  It's as far apart as it gets.  But somehow, because you want me to be wrong, it's not compelling enough for you.  Sigh.


Don't bother retorting, I don't care enough to spend any more time on an disingenuous antagonist. 

The disingenuous antagonist? Maybe an antagonist, hardly disingenuous.

For a decade I've heard about how G5 is the JV of the JV. And now it's "gross" if they're good enough to play varsity and do. And I'm just a guy who actually likes and respects mid-major football, even lived in a mid-major town and saw the grind up close. Because of that, I know the play, and I'm not gonna ask the kids to carry the burden of the fantasy of a lot of fans who for the most part ignore or look down on the product. 

 

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