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MikeDeTiger

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #308 on: January 07, 2022, 03:00:35 PM »
Who posted here a few days ago something about Eli Ricks and Alabama backing off each other?  I thought he was enrolled for spring and it was a done deal?

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« Reply #309 on: January 07, 2022, 03:11:16 PM »
May be an image of 1 person and text that says '1,480 PLAYERS ENTERED THE NCAA TRANSFER PORTAL THIS CYCLE 247SPORTS'
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« Reply #310 on: January 07, 2022, 04:13:34 PM »
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #311 on: January 07, 2022, 06:03:57 PM »
Tell that to the person who deserves it and would love to have it.
Well yeah. So what do you tell the many players who deserved money and got screwed out of it?

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« Reply #312 on: January 07, 2022, 06:25:41 PM »
You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily

Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.

Don't like it?

Apply to be an engineering major.
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« Reply #313 on: January 07, 2022, 06:26:51 PM »
You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily.

Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.

Don't like it?

Apply to be an engineering major.
That seems like an awfully, and I mean awfully lame excuse to steal from kids.

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« Reply #314 on: January 07, 2022, 06:31:10 PM »
That seems like an awfully, and I mean awfully lame excuse to steal from kids.
How do you feel about kids voluntarily working at age 14, for $2/hour at a grocery store? Is the grocery store stealing too? Or is the kid to be commended for wanted to do something on his/her own?
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #315 on: January 07, 2022, 06:37:18 PM »
How do you feel about kids voluntarily working at age 14, for $2/hour at a grocery store? Is the grocery store stealing too? Or is the kid to be commended for wanted to do something on his/her own?
Well, it depends. If the kid is doing work that is worth 2 bucks an hour, it isn't stealing. If the kid is doing work that is worth thousands or millions of dollars, and the grocery store more or less tricks or colludes to keep that money for themselves, then that is quite clearly morally wrong and the equivalent of theft. 


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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #316 on: January 07, 2022, 07:17:30 PM »
Yet the store will pay you $30/hour to do the same job, plus benefits.

Stealing my ass. It's about opportunity. Period.

My mind won't change, and yours won't either. So, let's just have a virtual Scotch and call it good.

Deal?

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #317 on: January 07, 2022, 07:38:04 PM »
Well, it depends. If the kid is doing work that is worth 2 bucks an hour, it isn't stealing. If the kid is doing work that is worth thousands or millions of dollars, and the grocery store more or less tricks or colludes to keep that money for themselves, then that is quite clearly morally wrong and the equivalent of theft.

This is a flawed example, because it doesn't exist in the real world.  Not in a market economy, at least.  There is nobody doing work with thousands or millions of dollars (depends on over what time frame, obviously) and getting paid $2/hr for it, or anything remotely close to those figures.  It's like saying "Yeah, but what if there were a square circle in this conversation, what then?"

I don't have a moral leg to stand on when it comes to prohibiting kids from monetizing their NIL, but that's completely separate from the question of whether they were ever being stolen from (and whether I like it or not, and think it will be disastrous for the sport).  And I haven't seen a compelling argument that kids were ever being stolen from. 

I don't buy the argument that colleges successfully monetized the sport, because academic curricula have effectively been monetized too, and for way longer.  All these engineering and medical nerds, etc.....they're the reason why schools get ridiculous amount of grants and other forms of government-backed funds.  The schools literally made billions off of academic kids and nobody ever made the argument that they were being stolen from.  By the same token, we shouldn't accuse schools of stealing from kids because athletic students didn't get paid to play their amateur sports.  Hell, even the REC leagues in Baton Rouge make money.....nobody ever paid me to play basketball in them when I was a kid.  And nobody "stole money I earned" either.  

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #318 on: January 07, 2022, 07:56:24 PM »
Yet the store will pay you $30/hour to do the same job, plus benefits.

Stealing my ass. It's about opportunity. Period.

My mind won't change, and yours won't either. So, let's just have a virtual Scotch and call it good.

Deal?

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #319 on: January 07, 2022, 08:00:41 PM »
This is a flawed example, because it doesn't exist in the real world.  Not in a market economy, at least.  There is nobody doing work with thousands or millions of dollars (depends on over what time frame, obviously) and getting paid $2/hr for it, or anything remotely close to those figures.  It's like saying "Yeah, but what if there were a square circle in this conversation, what then?"

I don't have a moral leg to stand on when it comes to prohibiting kids from monetizing their NIL, but that's completely separate from the question of whether they were ever being stolen from (and whether I like it or not, and think it will be disastrous for the sport).  And I haven't seen a compelling argument that kids were ever being stolen from. 

I don't buy the argument that colleges successfully monetized the sport, because academic curricula have effectively been monetized too, and for way longer.  All these engineering and medical nerds, etc.....they're the reason why schools get ridiculous amount of grants and other forms of government-backed funds.  The schools literally made billions off of academic kids and nobody ever made the argument that they were being stolen from.  By the same token, we shouldn't accuse schools of stealing from kids because athletic students didn't get paid to play their amateur sports.  Hell, even the REC leagues in Baton Rouge make money.....nobody ever paid me to play basketball in them when I was a kid.  And nobody "stole money I earned" either. 
Here are some Wisconsin salaries. The top six are all athletic positions, all heavily funded by the football program. You won't find a player in the database unless he worked as a tutor or custodian or something. That's stealing. 

https://projects.jsonline.com/database/2021/2/university-wisconsin-professor-coach-salary-2020.html

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #320 on: January 07, 2022, 08:18:57 PM »
Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.

Not happening now.
I would disagree with this, strongly. Both in the sense that the sky will fall and that UW would be above getting into that ring. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #321 on: January 07, 2022, 08:30:32 PM »
You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily.

Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.

Don't like it?

Apply to be an engineering major.
Coaches coach voluntarily. they coach a game for public schools. But somehow, they earn six to seven figures. Why? because they’re part of a massive money making machine. This is entertainment product attached to a school’s brand.

It’s all unfortunately simple. Everyone in that world lives life with a hand out. It shouldn’t surprise that people on the bottom would want to do the same.

Someone wants to give them money. They should be denied why? Some pretend morality the adults are smart enough not to abide by?

 

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