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MaximumSam

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #280 on: January 06, 2022, 06:53:04 PM »
Well, it might be what it is, but it's not what the spirit of NIL was meant to be...

NIL was supposed to be an alternative to pay for play. It was to not limit athletes from making money outside of the school based on their fame.

Instead it's already simply becoming a pay-for-play by the boosters so it's not officially by the university.
I mean, sort of. A big part of the complaints about paying players directly revolved around Title IX and that it simply couldn't be done (note: I don't necessarily buy that, but it was argued). That has nothing to do at all with just people giving players money if they wish, or hiring them to do work, both of which were outlawed for no legitimate reason whatsoever.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #281 on: January 06, 2022, 07:14:25 PM »
I mean, sort of. A big part of the complaints about paying players directly revolved around Title IX and that it simply couldn't be done (note: I don't necessarily buy that, but it was argued). That has nothing to do at all with just people giving players money if they wish, or hiring them to do work, both of which were outlawed for no legitimate reason whatsoever.
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot. 

I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted. 

Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team. 

I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #282 on: January 06, 2022, 07:21:29 PM »
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.

I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.

Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.

I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.

I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there.  NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could.  Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.

This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen.  These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.




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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #283 on: January 06, 2022, 07:26:06 PM »
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.

I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.

Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.

I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
Seems like it?

It is.

Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #284 on: January 06, 2022, 07:27:31 PM »
I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there.  NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could.  Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.

This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen.  These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.
I must have missed it, then... I could see the local West Lafayette car dealerships throwing "too much" money at some Purdue player to appear in commercials, but I figured that there would actually be a use of the NIL that would accompany the money. 

I hadn't thought that we'd just have boosters creating contracts for players to play, without any even ATTEMPT to monetize based on the NIL. 

Maybe I was just naive. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #285 on: January 06, 2022, 07:34:29 PM »
The ags didn't do anything sophisticated.  Literally just bags of cash, same as always.  All of the rest of that post is just typical internet message board bulljive.  There's a legitimate reason that it sounds exactly like fan fiction...

But y'all certainly handed out MORE bags of money than usual this year. Don't worry, the NCAA now has much bigger fish to fry and won't be coming after you.  That's precisely why your boosters did it.

But there won't be any need to accept bags under the table going forward in a few years, the legit money over the table will dwarf it.  The ags will have plenty of donors to help with that but, as you said, so will many other programs.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #286 on: January 06, 2022, 07:58:34 PM »
I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there.  NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could.  Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.

This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen.  These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.

You're probably right, but there are other consequences taking form here in the early stages that I imagine are unintended.  

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #287 on: January 06, 2022, 08:01:29 PM »
Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.

For now, maybe.  

I don't think there's any guarantee or even likelihood that this will remain the case indefinitely.  

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #288 on: January 06, 2022, 08:07:03 PM »
Seems like it?

It is.

Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.


Done?! 

You're assuming we were competing for anything before?

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #289 on: January 06, 2022, 08:08:55 PM »
I must have missed it, then... I could see the local West Lafayette car dealerships throwing "too much" money at some Purdue player to appear in commercials, but I figured that there would actually be a use of the NIL that would accompany the money.

I hadn't thought that we'd just have boosters creating contracts for players to play, without any even ATTEMPT to monetize based on the NIL.

Maybe I was just naive.
Some of the state laws require that there be some performance or use of the NIL.  That's why the one that Texas boosters set up for all offensive linemen requires appearances for charities.

But yeah, it's certainly going to end up being quite a bit more than simply Joe Tight End getting paid a little weekend party money by Big Gold Autos to shill for the latest Chevy pickups on the lot.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #290 on: January 06, 2022, 08:36:58 PM »
Seems like it?

It is.

Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.


Yeah, if you can't even keep up with Eastern Michigan, that might be a problem. 
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #291 on: January 06, 2022, 08:39:06 PM »
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.

I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.

Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.

I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
Yes, definitely, schools didn't want to pay players due to all sorts of legal frameworks but mostly because they didn't want to pay players. But they still aren't paying players. The money that boosters would otherwise give to the school to build some new mecca of a facilty goes to the players instead. This, IMO, is good for everyone. Purdue grads aren't poor, and aren't stupid. If you want to donate money to the cause, would you rather it go to a recruit directly or to new gold plated barbells to entice recruits to come? Easy choice if you ask me.

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« Reply #292 on: January 06, 2022, 08:44:21 PM »
Are cheerleaders eligible for NIL, since it technically isn't an NCAA sanctioned "sport"? 
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #293 on: January 06, 2022, 08:49:00 PM »
Seems like it?

It is.

Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.

 

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