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jgvol

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2022, 01:06:30 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2022, 12:52:02 PM
So it's entirely based on a team loss in the 2nd week of September?

McNown wins on completion percentage, YPA, TD;INT ratio, and passer rating.

All Manning has him on his total passing yards, and solely because he attempted nearly 150% more passes

And TD passes.  Better record.

But, hey man, if you want to argue for Cade McNown (for some odd reason totally of left field), do your thing.

Was he even invited to the ceremony?  I know the 2 QB's that gave him L's were there.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2022, 01:13:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
You could make the argument that Manning never improved in college.  More passes, same rating.
He always threw for a ton of yards vs Florida, and took the L.  In '97, he threw an 89-yard pick-6 to go down 2 scores.  Vols always played catch-up vs the Gators with Manning.
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Also, Tennessee beat Vandy by only 7, then won the SECCG by 1 point.  He sort of limped to the finish line and the career achievement thing didn't pan out.

Never improved in college?  LOL.

One of the very best to ever don a uniform -- wasn't much room for improvement.  ;)
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2022, 01:17:24 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on December 09, 2022, 01:06:30 PM
And TD passes.  Better record.

But, hey man, if you want to argue for Cade McNown (for some odd reason totally of left field), do your thing.

Was he even invited to the ceremony?  I know the 2 QB's that gave him L's were there.
I mean he was a Power 5 QB with better numbers across the board.

And yeah, we gave undeserving pitchers Cy Youngs back then due to Wins too
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2022, 01:31:51 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2022, 01:17:24 PM
I mean he was a Power 5 QB with better numbers across the board.

And yeah, we gave undeserving pitchers Cy Youngs back then due to Wins too

We've already established that is false, but...

Be mad, I guess.  
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2022, 02:13:54 PM »
Mad about what?  That Manning didn't win, but deserved to not win even more?  I'll be good
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2022, 02:28:41 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2022, 02:13:54 PM
Mad about what?  That Manning didn't win, but deserved to not win even more?  I'll be good

ok, Cade. 
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2022, 04:32:42 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on December 09, 2022, 01:13:30 PM
Never improved in college?  LOL.

One of the very best to ever don a uniform -- wasn't much room for improvement.  ;)
His rating was virtually the same all 4 years and he never had a 150+ rating.  For as all-time great as he was, why wasn't he better?  
QBs with better rating in 1997:
Thad Busby, Aaron Brooks, Joe Germaine, Mike Bobo, Brock Huard
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Plus, did the Vols suffer when Manning left?  Ha!  No, they won the NC.  
Manning is one of the most overrated college football players of all time.  Did he have a special/great football mind?  Sure.  Did he have a ton of pressure on him?  Of course.
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But if he was that great, he'd have played better.  
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2022, 04:36:18 PM »
The best pro-Manning argument vs McNown is the fact Peyton threw 150 more passes.  That's about it.
His argument is volume only.  
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2022, 05:13:16 PM »
Hendon Hooker = Dennis Dixon
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2022, 09:16:45 PM »
Caleb Williams in a landslide.
Duggan 2nd.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2022, 11:01:54 AM »
if the award is suppose to be for best player in cfb, think Bijan or Marv should've won it this year.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2022, 11:02:34 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 11, 2022, 11:01:54 AM
if the award is suppose to be for best player in cfb, think Bijan or Marv should've won it this year.
It isn't, it doesn't even claim it is.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2022, 12:40:46 PM »
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2022, 12:47:52 PM »
these are the total defense rankings Williams went against...


Rice- 67th
Stanford- 112th
Fresno State- 39th 
Oregon State- 31st
Arizona State- 106th
Washington State- 80th
Utah- 19th (L)
Arizona- 126th
California- 109th
Colorado- 130th
UCLA- 88th
Notre Dame- 22nd
Utah- 19th (L)

Lost twice to the only top 20 total D he faced (Utah) and put up only 17 pts on 3rd highest ranked D he faced- Oregon St. Won the Heisman feasting on god awful defenses and punking a for some weird reason overrated ND. Then vs Utah in the CCG with a chance at revenge and a playoff spot on the line he completely crumbles and pisses down his leg and sh*ts the bed and yet he still wins. Probably one of the weakest Heisman winners ever.
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