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Topic: 2022 Heisman Race

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Cincydawg

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2022, 04:40:11 PM »
When I moved into my wife's house, I had to go through 30 years of boxed up stuff in my basement.  There were a lot of boxes.  Two held a bunch of HS trophies I had won back, well, in HS.  I realized I had not looked at them since I had packed them when I first moved into that house.  Somewhat wistfully, they went into the garbage.  I have not had any use for them since of course.  I recall I had a Sport Illustrated with Herschel on the cover from 1980 that I sort of wish I had retained.

I got some fairly impressive looking plaque in the mail after I retired from my company, I have not yet thrown it out, mostly because I don't know where it is.  I have a diploma cert on my wall here, I guess I will keep that.  

My daughter moved from C-bus to Vancouver and fit everything she wanted in her modest sized SUV and drove.  I know she had a bunch of soccer trophies, they probably were trashed years earlier.  I sort of think "we" should go through out stuff every five years and clean it out, most of it.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2022, 05:03:13 PM »
Horns and Sooners will get more consideration after moving to the SEC SEC
Horns would get more consideration if they were winning more games.  If Texas is 12-1 or 13-0 this year in the B12, then Bijan is a Heisman favorite.  The conference has nothing to do with it.  At least, not for Texas and OU.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2022, 08:14:46 PM »
There are a lot of symbolic things, ceremonies, rituals, etc. that I used to crap on in a very reductive way. 

I started listening to Jordan Peterson a few years ago
Oh dear god....
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« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2022, 08:17:42 PM »
I knew you believed in God

and Bijan would get more face time on ESPN if he was in the SEC
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« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2022, 09:48:03 AM »
Oh dear god....
So you're a Brown's fan too
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2022, 10:01:28 AM »

and Bijan would get more face time on ESPN if he was in the SEC

Nah, ESPN loves the Horns too.  Ask any of our rivals how much the mediots love to talk us up.

Our problem is purely a W/L one.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2022, 10:10:00 AM »
Bijan would be in my top 3.

Bijan, Stroud and Hooker

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2022, 10:30:27 AM »
Nah, ESPN loves the Horns too.  Ask any of our rivals how much the mediots love to talk us up.

Our problem is purely a W/L one.
your rivals have skewed and twisted minds
cultists in Collie Station and Lubbuttock
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« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2022, 10:58:28 AM »
your rivals have skewed and twisted minds
cultists in Collie Station and Lubbuttock
You dumped them, you don't get to be jealous

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2022, 12:06:22 PM »
ESPN on the 1997 Heisman controversy. Fat Phil Fulmer still mad Peyton didn't win it. Peyton kinda choked in the big games that year. Woodson just made insane plays in the big games. Bigger the moment, bigger he played that year. Both were obviously incredible all-time great players in not only college but the NFL. That might've been the best finalist class ever with Randy Moss and Ryan Leaf as well. Sure, Leaf was an NFL bust but he was the leading passer in college that year and he had ridiculous arm strength and size, meanwhile Peyton, CWood, and Moss all 1st ballot NFL HOF'ers and honestly just generational players.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35181627/peyton-manning-charles-woodson-heisman-title-conspiracies
 

One loss to # 3 Florida on the road is choked in the big game(s)?  Tough crowd.


In that one loss at the Swamp:



 

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2022, 12:23:20 PM »
Look at the numbers and tell me Manning deserved to win anything over Cade McNown that season

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2022, 12:34:18 PM »
Look at the numbers and tell me Manning deserved to win anything over Cade McNown that season

Alrighty.  Good season by Cade.  Lost the first 2 games of 1997, then won out.  1st Loss at Wazzou (Leaf).  2nd Loss at home to Tenn (Manning).  Seems like an easy choice to me.




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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2022, 12:52:02 PM »
So it's entirely based on a team loss in the 2nd week of September?

McNown wins on completion percentage, YPA, TD;INT ratio, and passer rating.

All Manning has him on his total passing yards, and solely because he attempted nearly 150% more passes

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2022, 12:57:17 PM »
Alrighty.  Good season by Cade.  Lost the first 2 games of 1997, then won out.  1st Loss at Wazzou (Leaf).  2nd Loss at home to Tenn (Manning).  Seems like an easy choice to me.




You could make the argument that Manning never improved in college.  More passes, same rating.
He always threw for a ton of yards vs Florida, and took the L.  In '97, he threw an 89-yard pick-6 to go down 2 scores.  Vols always played catch-up vs the Gators with Manning.
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Also, Tennessee beat Vandy by only 7, then won the SECCG by 1 point.  He sort of limped to the finish line and the career achievement thing didn't pan out.
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