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Topic: 2022 Heisman Race

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MikeDeTiger

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2022, 01:02:06 PM »
Always goes to a hot player on a hot team, even though the criteria is something along the lines of "most outstanding player in cfb." 

I haven't watch all the teams, but from what I did see this year, if I had a vote I'd give it to Texas' Bijan Robinson.  Killer vision and instinct, and just an overall unstoppable force.  I can't think of anyone who did their job better than he did his in context of what players had around them to work with.  

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2022, 01:03:20 PM »
Always goes to a hot player on a hot team, even though the criteria is something along the lines of "most outstanding player in cfb."

I haven't watch all the teams, but from what I did see this year, if I had a vote I'd give it to Texas' Bijan Robinson.  Killer vision and instinct, and just an overall unstoppable force.  I can't think of anyone who did their job better than he did his in context of what players had around them to work with. 
Bijan would be a great choice. As good as Blake was, Bijan would've went well over 2k running behind Michigan's line. 

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2022, 02:08:38 PM »
Horns and Sooners will get more consideration after moving to the SEC SEC
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2022, 02:20:18 PM »
Yeah, the media failed to connect the public to any particular defender.  It's not like individual defenders as a whole were worse this year than any other year.
Reminder of last year:
media focuses on Hutchinson, who winds up finishing 2nd.
Hutchinson:  62 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 14 sacks
W.Anderson: 101 tackles, 31.0 TFL, 17.5 sacks
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I guess there was no fun narratives this year, to highlight someone having a lesser season?
So my thought is you’re going to need to hit a couple different spots.

-you need some kind of eye-popping numbers
-you need to be doing it as part of a good defense
-you need to be part of a team that matters in some way (say you lead a historically moribund program to nine or 10 wins, or you have a good team that absolutely puts the fear of God into a national power. Or you’re just a big part of a playoff contender)
-you need some film moments. Some plays on tape that just make people say, oh damn

There just really isn’t any defender that checks the majority of those boxes, unless I’m missing someone. That is of course to be a contender. Actually with it, you need some less interesting quarterback and running back options at the top.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2022, 05:02:05 PM »
He was the best player on a CFP team, that didn't have a QB that was a legit contender.  It's that simple.  Same as Woodson, or Te'o, or Peppers.  You have to be on a great team, that doesn't have a great skill position player

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2022, 11:05:04 AM »
They're all kind of popularity contests.  I don't mean that the choices are bad ones, just that they're usually overly obvious.  

Take something like the Thorpe Award.  In 2019 the best DB was the OSU kid, Okudah or something like that, I think his name was.  I thought it was more of an objective fact than an opinion.  LSU's Delpit wins it because they're a buzzword team that year.  Was Delpit a bad choice?  Eh, I mean, for like a lifetime achievement award, okay fine, but he was injured for half of '19 and missed some games and played like crap for a few games where he was still recovering.  I'd have nothing to say if he won it in 2018, but in 2019 Okudah clearly had a better season and was the better player.  

But don't mind me.  I'm just bitter because Troy Smith is still holding Jamarcus Russell's heisman.  

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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2022, 11:59:05 AM »

But don't mind me.  I'm just bitter because Troy Smith is still holding Jamarcus Russell's heisman. 

Reggie Bush had to give Vince Young's Heisman back, so there's at least a little justice there.  I'd much rather Vince have won the trophy that he DID get, than the one that ESPN gifted to Bush.  And, VY says the exact same thing.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2022, 01:04:05 PM »
All they have to do is change the wording....

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2022, 01:08:06 PM »
Another WTF awarded trophy was the Unitas 'Golden Arm' going to Tony Rice.  Now, their description isn't passing-numbers or strong-arm related, but the name of it is.  Rice won it in a year he threw for 2 TD and 9 INT the year after ND's NC.
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It's just funny.  I know it doesn't matter.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2022, 01:52:01 PM »
I really don't care who wins of course, but I find it interesting how often the winner fails to consumate later with the NC.


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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2022, 02:41:27 PM »
But don't mind me.  I'm just bitter because Troy Smith is still holding Jamarcus Russell's heisman. 
That's okay because Jamarcus robbed the Raiders.Ask him which he'd rather have
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2022, 02:51:56 PM »
My ex was seriously entranced with things like "The Oscars" and wanted to see every movie nomination so she could form her on opinions.  (I was OK seeing movies that looked to be decent, most were not.)  She would watch the show and I'd hear here cheer or grunt depending on who won, it was serious business for her.  Fortunately, she went her way many years ago and neither I nor my kids have any idea where she is now.

We have so many human annointed "awards", and maybe some mean something really, most as noted as some kind of contorted popularity contest voted on by "experts".  This of course aligns with my disdain of "lists" of "top 100 X in the US".  

Malarkey.  Balderdash.  All this is on my own list of the top 100 silliest things over which to get annoyed.  Or thrilled.

Unless you win something that has some intrinsic value.  Like a participation trophy for 8 years old in soccer.

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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2022, 03:00:19 PM »
I don't really have any problem with a group or industry recognizing whoever they feel to be the best, for whatever achievements they deem worthy.  I don't necessarily have to care about it, but if they do, then good for them.

In high school I competed in One-Act play competition, and our drama department was always quite good, we always won District and continued on to Area or even Region.  But one year, we made it all the way to State.  And along the way, I won a couple of "Best Actor" awards, which I was happy and proud to receive.  But our play did not win State, and I would have given back every Best Actor award I got in all 4 years of drama competition, for our ensemble play to have won State.
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Re: 2022 Heisman Race
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2022, 04:13:05 PM »
My ex was seriously entranced with things like "The Oscars" and wanted to see every movie nomination so she could form her on opinions.  (I was OK seeing movies that looked to be decent, most were not.)  She would watch the show and I'd hear here cheer or grunt depending on who won, it was serious business for her.  Fortunately, she went her way many years ago and neither I nor my kids have any idea where she is now.

We have so many human annointed "awards", and maybe some mean something really, most as noted as some kind of contorted popularity contest voted on by "experts".  This of course aligns with my disdain of "lists" of "top 100 X in the US". 

Malarkey.  Balderdash.  All this is on my own list of the top 100 silliest things over which to get annoyed.  Or thrilled.

Unless you win something that has some intrinsic value.  Like a participation trophy for 8 years old in soccer.

There are a lot of symbolic things, ceremonies, rituals, etc. that I used to crap on in a very reductive way.  

I started listening to Jordan Peterson a few years ago and a few other people I found through him, and I don't think 100% the same way anymore.  Now I think there is value and a point to a lot of the "doesn't really matter" things that people like me tend to naturally poo-poo.  

I don't know that the Heisman or the Oscars is one of them.  But it's not nothing when some sort of collective of individuals decide to revere something.  

 

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