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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1288 on: March 13, 2023, 12:37:04 PM »
My usual annual complaint about the NCAA tournament sites:
This year's eight first and second round sites are:
EST:

  • Albany, NY
  • Greensboro, NC
  • Orlando, FL
  • Columbus, OH
CST:
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Des Moines, IA
MST:
  • Denver, CO
PST:
  • Sacramento, CA

That might seem "fair" but it is not.  This year's top 16 teams (the top-4 seeds in each region) are from:
EST:
  • PU
  • Xavier
  • UVA
  • TN
  • IU
  • UCONN
CST:
  • Bama
  • Houston
  • KU
  • Marquette
  • Texas
  • Baylor
  • KSU
MST:
  • Zona
PST:
  • UCLA
  • Gonzaga
On average over the last 20 years (19 tournaments from 2004-2023) the top-4 seeds in each region have hailed from:
  • 9.12 EST
  • 4.76 CST
  • 0.53 MST
  • 1.59 PST
Based on that, there should only be ONE western (MST/PST) site each year.  


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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1289 on: March 13, 2023, 02:43:54 PM »
Analysis of leagues in the NCAA wrt BB tournament:

The above is a list of the 32 leagues.  Each league Champion receives an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament.  

The list is sorted first by the percentage of teams in each league that are ranked in the top-68 in the end-of-season NET rankings.  First, a tip of the cap to the B12.  I don't remember ever seeing this before but every single team in the B12 is in the top-68 in the NET.  Wow!  That is impressive.  Our league was second with 11 of 14 teams in the top-68 (78.6%) followed by the SEC with just under two-thirds.  The rest of the power leagues and the MWC each had between 40-50% of their teams in the top-68, CUSA was at about a quarter and all the rest of the leagues were at one-in-five or less.  

I used top-68 here because the Tournament takes 68 teams.  

The top 19 leagues each have at least one team in the top-68 in the NET.  So their Champions either are top-68 or at least had to win a league with at least one quality team.  

The other 13 auto-bids in the Tournament are, quite simply, the tallest midget.  They range from relatively tall midgets out of the Sunbelt and SoCon to the NEC where their best team was #301 and would have been dead last in the B12, B1G, SEC, B-East, MWC, and a number of other leagues.  

So here comes my annual pitch for expanding the tournament:
Frankly, I'd be fine with contracting by simply instituting a minimum threshold for the auto-bid.  I would suggest going back to 64 (something I am very much in favor of) but adding a rule that you don't get an auto-bid unless at least one of your league's teams is in the top-128.  This year, that would eliminate the bottom six leagues (Big South, Southland, SWAC, MEAC, OVC, and NEC).  

Assuming that they are NOT going to institute a minimum threshold, I favor expanding the Tournament to 80 (increase of 12) with the following format:
First weekend, eight locations:

  • Thursday/Friday:  Two games per location, eight games per day, 16 games total to get down to 64 teams (seeds 13-20 play).  
  • Saturday/Sunday:  Four games per location, 16 games per day, 32 games total to get down to 32 teams.  
  • Monday/Tuesday:  Two games per location, eight games per day, 16 games total to get down to the Sweet Sixteen.  
Second weekend, four locations:
  • Saturday/Sunday:  Two games per location, four games per day, eight games total to get down to the Elite Eight.  
  • Monday/Tuesday:  One game per location, two games per day, four games total to get down to the Final Four.  
Third weekend, as is:  
  • Saturday:  Two games.  
  • Monday:  Championship.  

Advantages, as I see it:
  • A more watchable tournament:  By starting a couple days earlier the busiest days end up on the weekend when more people can watch.  
  • Better quality teams:  There is a humongous drop-off in quality after the 12 seeds.  #10's through #12's upset their a little better than once every three attempts.  The #12's have as many first round wins (53) as the #13's (31) and the #14's (22) combined.  In the second round and beyond the disparity becomes even more glaring.  #13's and below have made it to the S16 only 11 times.  With the exception of the #9's, every other seed has more S16 appearances individually than the #13 and worse have COMBINED and the #13 and below have only been to the Elite Eight once.  #12's have been to two E8's and every other seed has been to the E8 at least four times.  
  • Everybody gets a "winnable" game.  I realize that the definition of "winnable" is somewhat subjective but as mentioned above the #12's and above win at least one third of the time.  That to me is "winnable".  If my team has a one-in-three chance that is a game.  The #13's and below are nowhere close to that.  #13's are 31-117 in the first round, #14's are 22-126, #15's are 10-138, and the #16's are 1-147.  
To expand on point #3, (just a few examples, not a complete list):
  • ASUN last won in 2019.  
  • Big Sky last won in 2006.  
  • Big South last won in 2018.  
  • Big West last won in 2019.  
  • Colonial last won in 2015.  
  • Ivy last won in 2016.  
  • MWC last won in 2018.  
  • NEC last won in 2019.  
  • OVC last won in 2016.  

We take these tallest midgets that are nowhere near tournament quality and put them up against the best teams in the country and that, to me, is just silly.  I'd prefer to give them a winnable game against a generally better but still mediocre team.  

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1290 on: March 13, 2023, 03:27:21 PM »
More on this year's tournament for the eight B1G teams in it:

Purdue is a #1 seed, the previous 148 #1 seeds went:

  • 147-1 in the first round.  
  • 126-21 in the second round.  
  • 101-25 in the S16.  
  • 61-40 in the E8.  
  • 38-23 in the F4.   
  • 24-14 in the NCG.  
Indiana is a #4 seed, the previous 148 #4 seeds went:
  • 117-31 in the first round.  
  • 70-47 in the second round.  
  • 22-48 in the S16.  
  • 13-9 in the E8.  
  • 3-10 in the F4.  
  • 1-2 in the NCG.  
Michigan State and Northwestern are #7 seeds, the previous 148 #7 seeds went:
  • 90-58 in the first round.  
  • 28-62 in the second round.  
  • 10-18 in the S16.  
  • 3-7 in the E8.  
  • 1-2 in the F4.  
  • 1-0 in the NCG. 
Maryland and Iowa are #8 seeds, the previous 148 #8 seeds went:
  • 71-77 in the first round.  
  • 15-56 in the second round.  
  • 9-6 in the S16.  
  • 6-3 in the E8.  
  • 4-2 in the F4.  
  • 1-3 in the NCG.  
Illinois is a #9 seed, the previous 148 #9 seeds went:
  • 77-71 in the first round.  
  • 7-70 in the second round.  
  • 4-3 in the S16.  
  • 1-3 in the F4.  
  • 0-1 in the NCG.  
Penn State is a #10 seed, the previous 148 #10 seeds went:
  • 58-90 in the first round.  
  • 24-34 in the second round.  
  • 9-15 in the S16.  
  • 1-8 in the E8.  
  • 0-1 in the F4.

Percent chance to reach the S16:
  • 85.14 for Purdue
  • 47.30 for Indiana
  • 18.92 each for MSU and NU
  • 10.14 each for UMD and IA
  • 4.73 for IL
  • 16.22 for PSU
Percent chance to reach the F4:
  • 41.22 for PU
  • 8.78 for IU
  • 2.03 each for MSU and NU
  • 4.05 each for UMD and IA
  • 0.68 for IL
  • 0.68 for PSU


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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1291 on: March 13, 2023, 03:30:43 PM »
so, history says Purdue is doomed?

Purdue history, not national previous 148 history

I might just take a flyer on Purdue
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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1292 on: March 13, 2023, 03:44:12 PM »
Who our teams are likely to face:
Should they make the S16; PU, UMD, IA, or IL would face:

  • 47% a #4 seed.  
  • 34% a #5 seed.  
  • 15% at #12 seed.  
  • 4% at #13 seed.  
Should they make the S16, Indiana would face:
  • 85% a #1 seed.  
  • 10% a #8 seed.  
  • 5% a #9 seed.  
Should they make the S16; NU, MSU, or PSU would face:

  • 52% a #3 seed.  
  • 29% a #6 seed.  
  • 18% a #11 seed.  
  • 1% a #15 seed.  

Moving on to the E8:
Should they make the E8; PU, IU, UMD, IA, or IL would face:
  • 45% a #2 seed.  
  • 25% a #3 seed.  
  • 10% a #6 seed.  
  • 7% a #7 seed.  
  • 6% a #10 seed.  
  • 6% a #11 seed.  
  • 1% a #15 seed.  
Should they make the E8; MSU, NU, or PSU would face:
  • 68% a #1 seed.  
  • 15% a #4 seed.  
  • 7% a #5 seed.  
  • 6% a #8 seed.  
  • 3% a #9 seed.  
  • 1% a #12 seed.  

Should any of our teams make the F4, they would face:
  • 41% a #1 seed.  
  • 21% a #2 seed.  
  • 12% a #3 seed.  
  • 9% a #4 seed.  
  • 5% a #5 seed.  
  • 2% a #6 seed.  
  • 2% a #7 seed.  
  • 4% a #8 seed.  
  • 1% a #9 seed.  
  • 1% a #10 seed.  
  • 3% a #11 seed.  

Should any of our teams make it to the NCG, they would face:

  • 51% a #1 seed.  
  • 16% a #2 seed.  
  • 15% a #3 seed.  
  • 4% a #4 seed.  
  • 4% a #5 seed.  
  • 3% a #6 seed.  
  • 1% a #7 seed.  
  • 5% a #8 seed.  


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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1293 on: March 14, 2023, 11:38:53 AM »
According to my phone we have five basically toss-up games on Thursday and another two on Friday. Purdue will end up as a substantial favorite but there is no line yet because their opponent is TBD. The eight B1G first round games from biggest favorite to biggest underdog:

  • Purdue will be a big favorite Friday at 650 in Columbus on TNT
  • Indiana -4 vs Kent Friday at 955 in Albany on TNT
  • MSU -2 vs USC Friday at 12:15 in Columbus on CBS
  • Northwestern -2 vs Boise Thursday at 735 in Sacramento on truTV?
  • Iowa +1 vs Auburn Thursday at 650 in Birmingham on TNT
  • Maryland +2 Thursday at 1215 in Birmingham on CBS
  • Illinois +2 vs Arkansas Thursday at 430 in Des Moines on TBS
  • Penn State +3  vs aTm Thursday at 955 in Des Moines on TBS


I'm confused as to why MSU got Columbus instead of the Hoosiers. Indiana has to travel to Albany to play Kent and IU fans who make that trip will pass by Kent on the way.

Northwestern got shafted by the usual oversupply of Western sites.

It feels like Auburn is getting an undually significant geographic advantage in playing an 8/9 game in their home state!

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1294 on: March 14, 2023, 11:54:06 AM »
I'm confused as to why MSU got Columbus instead of the Hoosiers. Indiana has to travel to Albany to play Kent and IU fans who make that trip will pass by Kent on the way.
MSU didn't "get" it, Marquette got it.  MSU was just a beneficiary.  It's tough to work around that entirely.  You would have to flip MSU to a different region, and 2 of the other 3 regions have a different Big Ten team in the 7-10 game.  I guess you could flip MSU and Missouri

The Auburn one is a little bit of both.  Yes, they are in their home state.  But Alabama is there too, and I would bet even in a Houston-Auburn game, those Bama fans will not be rooting for an upset

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1295 on: March 14, 2023, 12:04:15 PM »
MSU didn't "get" it, Marquette got it.  MSU was just a beneficiary.  It's tough to work around that entirely.  You would have to flip MSU to a different region, and 2 of the other 3 regions have a different Big Ten team in the 7-10 game.  I guess you could flip MSU and Missouri

The Auburn one is a little bit of both.  Yes, they are in their home state.  But Alabama is there too, and I would bet even in a Houston-Auburn game, those Bama fans will not be rooting for an upset
Makes sense.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1296 on: March 14, 2023, 08:56:44 PM »
Way to silence the haters rutger

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1297 on: March 14, 2023, 09:53:32 PM »
Way to silence the haters rutger
Shining example of why UNC said “hard pass.”

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1298 on: March 14, 2023, 11:28:18 PM »
It looks like Pitt is wearing some weird Purdue knockoff uniforms.   The giant P on the front is off putting, too.

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« Reply #1299 on: March 14, 2023, 11:45:39 PM »
Shining example of why UNC said “hard pass.”
Then just cancel the NIT, and all non CFP bowls

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« Reply #1301 on: March 15, 2023, 12:02:08 AM »
It looks like Pitt is wearing some weird Purdue knockoff uniforms.  The giant P on the front is off putting, too.
Even Purdue's worst aren't that bad.  You make it back for the first time since going back to the traditional colors and script Pitt, and that's what you come out in?

Also, my god, those are two very undeserving basketball teams.  Mississippi State has no talent, and Pitt might as well not have a coach

 

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