2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

Why?  You can foul at any point.  You can intentionally foul to get back in the game.  It's still a calculated risk, granted the numbers say you should.  That's like saying you shouldn't be able to take a knee in football

Interestingly, at lest as of a few years ago, they did not say that. Granted, I think the sheer frustration of it is worth something. 

On the football front, Arena football didn't allow you to take a knee late. In the last minute of games, you had to advance the ball to roll the clock. I'd be a proponent of that in college football. Probably doesn't change much, but it means teams are working more toward the end of the clock. 

And while I get it from a strategy standpoint and the lack of successful execution and Dickinson's shot both hurt my feelings a good bit, it's better for the game that Dickinson has a chance at that shot. It's fun to talk about how smart it is to foul up 3, but it's mostly, pardon my language, dogshit to watch. 

[Hawkinole]

#6 Iowa down by 2 with 1.5 seconds left to #2 Indiana. It's Caitlin Clark to the rescue:

https://youtu.be/Yq4St-d0kTQ?t=4

[medinabuckeye1]

So Purdue clinched at least a share of the league title in Maryland without being there. 

Maryland, Northwestern, Indiana, and Michigan are still mathematically in the race but each would need to win out and for Purdue to lose out to tie for the title.

Seeding races:
13-5 Purdue: 
can do no worse than a four-way tie for #1 with Maryland, Northwestern, and the Indiana/Michigan winner. They have clinched a double bye.

11-7 Maryland, Northwestern, Indiana, and Michigan:
These teams have clinched at least a single bye but could do as bad as 11-9 and 10th place.

10-8 Illinois, Iowa, and Rutgers:
Upside is 12-8 and a double bye. Downside is 10-10 and playing on Wednesday. 

9-8 Michigan State:
I'm assuming the MN game is NOT played. Upside is 11-8 and third place. Downside is 9-10 and 12th place.

8-10 Penn State, Wisconsin, and Nebraska:
Upside is 10-10 and tied for 6th place. Downside is 8-12 and 12th place.

4-14 Ohio State has clinched the #13 seed.

1-16 Minnesota has clinched the #14 seed.

[MaximumSam]

Why?  You can foul at any point.  You can intentionally foul to get back in the game.  It's still a calculated risk, granted the numbers say you should.  That's like saying you shouldn't be able to take a knee in football

Because it makes the game suck. It tries to ruin the best thing about basketball. It makes the end of games completely boring and unwatchable. 

Football actually did have this. I can't remember who did it but they kept committing penalties at the end of the half to keep the other team from getting the ball. The NFL changed the rules after that game. Why on earth basketball doesn't is bizarre. Losing teams committing fouls sucks, but it at least is harder to monitor because the losing team doesn't have anything more to lose. The winning team does, so it is an easy fix.

[847badgerfan]

No call. Such an asshole.

Zach Heilprin on Twitter: "Some scumbag stuff right here. https://t.co/0FtKzC75ZL" / Twitter
Zach Heilprin on Twitter: "Some scumbag stuff right here. https://t.co/0FtKzC75ZL" / Twitter

[CatsbyAZ]

Bad weekend for coaches who are entrenched in not fouling up 3 in final seconds

https://twitter.com/Bradsports2/status/1629957394221395968

[bayareabadger]

https://twitter.com/Bradsports2/status/1629957394221395968

Pete not paying attention 

[Kris60]

No call. Such an asshole.

Zach Heilprin on Twitter: "Some scumbag stuff right here. https://t.co/0FtKzC75ZL" / Twitter
Zach Heilprin on Twitter: "Some scumbag stuff right here. https://t.co/0FtKzC75ZL" / Twitter

Wisconsin needs to send that to the league office.  That’s bullshit.

[medinabuckeye1]

Assuming that the MN/MSU game is NOT rescheduled, all teams have exactly two games left.  Over the weekend there were several upsets:

• Indiana's win at Purdue
• Rutgers' win at Penn State

Given how bunched up the standings are and that Indiana was projected to finish pretty low in the 12-8 tiebreaker, those two upsets rearrange the projected BTT seeds quite a bit.  Here are the updated projected final standings/BTT seeds:

• 15-5/26-5 Purdue - The Boilers will get the #1 seed unless they lose out AND one of the 7-loss teams with better tiebreakers wins out.  
• 13-7/22-9 Indiana
• 12-8/20-11 Rutgers
• 12-8/21-10 Maryland
• 12-8/21-10 Northwestern
• 11-8/19-11 Michigan State
• 11-9/19-12 Iowa
• 11-9/20-11 Illinois
• 11-9/17-14 Michigan
• 9-11/17-13 Wisconsin, wins tie with PSU based on H2H, won in State College
• 9-11/18-13 Penn State, loses tie with UW based on H2H, lost at home to UW
• 8-12/15-16 Nebraska
• 4-16/12-19 Ohio State - The Buckeyes have clinched this spot.  
• 1-18/7-22 Minnesota - The Gophers have clinched this spot.  

The 12-8 tie is broken based on H2H2H:

• 3-0 Rutgers, does not visit College Park, won in Evanston
• 1-1 Maryland, does not host Rutgers nor visit Evanston
• 0-3 Northwestern, does not host the Terps, lost at home to the Knights

The 11-9 tie is broken based on H2H2H:

• 2-0 Iowa, does not play in Champaign nor Ann Arbor.  
• 1-1 Illinois, does not visit Ann Arbor nor host the Hawkeyes
• 0-2 Michigan, does not host the Illini nor the Hawkeyes

Based on these projections the match-ups for the BTT at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois would be:
Wednesday, March 8, BTN:

• #11 Penn State vs #14 Minnesota, 830
• #12 Nebraska vs #13 Ohio State, 6

Thursday, March 9, BTN:

• #5 Northwestern vs UNL/tOSU, 230
• #6 Michigan State vs PSU/MN, 9
• #7 Iowa vs #10 Wisconsin, 630
• #8 Illinois vs #9 Michigan, noon

Friday, March 10, BTN:

• #1 Purdue vs IL/M, noon
• #2 Indiana vs IA/UW, 630
• #3 Rutgers vs MSU/PSU/MN, 9
• #4 Maryland vs NU/UNL/tOSU, 230

Saturday, March 11, CBS:

• PU/IL/M vs UMD/NU/UNL/tOSU, 1
• IU/IA/UW vs RU/MSU/PSU/MN, 330

Sunday, March 12, CBS:

• PU/IL/M/UMD/NU/UNL/tOSU vs IU/IA/UW/RU/MSU/PSU/MN, 330

Teams in bold have clinched their seed and will be playing in the game indicated.  

[bayareabadger]

I’m trying to decide, but I think I’d prefer an 11 seed and getting Minnesota back-to-back instead of starting off with Penn State. 

This is assuming I’m taking a rosier outlook. Facing Penn State at 18-13 feels better than 17-13.

[medinabuckeye1]

AFAIK the MN/MSU game will NOT be rescheduled.  Thus, all 14 teams have two games left:  One this week (Tue-Thur) and one this weekend (Sat or Sun).  Here are their records, what they have left, the projection, and tie scenarios:

• 13-5 Purdue, at UW, vs IL, 15-5:  0-2 vs IU, 1-1 vs UMD, 0-1 vs NU, 1-0 vs M.  
• 11-7 Indiana, vs IA, vs M, 13-7:  2-0 vs PU, 0-1 vs UMD, 0-2 vs NU, 1-0 vs M one to go, 1-1 vs RU, 2-0 vs IL, 0-1 vs IA one to go.  
• 11-7 Maryland, vs PSU, at PSU, 12-8:  1-1 vs PU, 1-0 vs IU, 1-0 vs NU, 1-1 vs M, 0-1 vs RU, 1-0 vs IL, 0-1 vs IA.  
• 11-7 Northwestern, vs PSU, at RU, 12-8:  1-0 vs PU, 2-0 vs IU, 0-1 vs UMD, 0-2 vs M, 0-1 vs RU one to go, 1-1 vs IL, 1-1 vs IA.  
• 11-7 Michigan, at IL, at IU, 11-9:  0-1 vs PU, 0-1 vs IU one to go, 1-1 vs UMD, 2-0 vs NU, 0-1 vs RU, 0-0 vs IL one to go, 0-1 vs IA.  
• 10-8 Rutgers, at MN, vs NU, 12-8:  -1 vs IU, 1-0 vs UMD, 1-0 vs NU one to go, 0-1 vs M, 0-1 vs IL, 0-2 vs IA.  
• 10-8 Illinois, vs M, at PU, 11-9:  0-2 vs IU, 0-1 vs UMD, 1-1 vs NU, 0-0 vs M one to go, 1-0 vs RU, 0-1 vs IA.  
• 10-8 Iowa, at IU, vs UNL, 11-9:  1-0 vs IU one to go, 1-0 vs UMD, 1-1 vs NU, 1-0 vs M, 2-0 vs RU, 1-0 vs IL.  
• 9-8 Michigan State, at UNL, vs tOSU, 11-8:  Can't tie anyone.  
• 8-10 Penn State, at NU, vs UMD, 9-11:  0-2 vs RU, 2-0 vs IL, 1-0 vs IA, 0-2 vs UW, 1-1 vs UNL.  
• 8-10 Wisconsin, vs PU, at MN, 9-11:  0-1 vs RU, 0-2 vs IL, 2-0 vs IA, 2-0 vs PSU, 0-1 vs UNL.  
• 8-10 Nebraska, vs MSU, at IA, 8-12:  1-0 vs RU, 0-2 vs IL, 1-0 vs IA one to go, 1-1 vs PSU, 1-0 vs UW.  
• 4-14 Ohio State, vs UMD, at MSU, 4-16:  Can't tie anyone.  
• 1-16 Minnesota, vs RU, vs UW, 1-18:  Can't tie anyone.  

[rolltidefan]

Because it makes the game suck. It tries to ruin the best thing about basketball. It makes the end of games completely boring and unwatchable.

Football actually did have this. I can't remember who did it but they kept committing penalties at the end of the half to keep the other team from getting the ball. The NFL changed the rules after that game. Why on earth basketball doesn't is bizarre. Losing teams committing fouls sucks, but it at least is harder to monitor because the losing team doesn't have anything more to lose. The winning team does, so it is an easy fix.

wasn't it wisconsin that did that vs psu and paterno got pissed? edit: i misread. it's not like taking a knee in football, it's like the situation i mentioned, where you're using foul rules, meant to punish you, to your advantage. akin to, as i mentioned originally, intentionally breaking the rule to milk the clock. taking a knee is a subset of a normal play, just a run play. basketball has synonymous play, walking it out.

something else i've seen a lot of talking heads say should be in cbb, the timeout and advance to half court inbound. it's astounding to me so many people like this. to equate it with cfb, imagine if in the dying moments of the game, a team scores to take the lead, the opponent kneels the kickoff return, calls a timeout, and now gets the ball at the 50. just for the sake of having an exciting end to the game, one team gets a massive advantage. i absolutely hate that rule, and would be sad if implemented in cbb.

[ELA]

something else i've seen a lot of talking heads say should be in cbb, the timeout and advance to half court inbound. it's astounding to me so many people like this. to equate it with cfb, imagine if in the dying moments of the game, a team scores to take the lead, the opponent kneels the kickoff return, calls a timeout, and now gets the ball at the 50. just for the sake of having an exciting end to the game, one team gets a massive advantage. i absolutely hate that rule, and would be sad if implemented in cbb.

I have always HATED that rule.

The women's college basketball changed to the NBA rule, and I'm pleasantly surprised the men haven't.  I figured it was inevitable

[bayareabadger]

wasn't it wisconsin that did that vs psu and paterno got pissed? edit: i misread. it's not like taking a knee in football, it's like the situation i mentioned, where you're using foul rules, meant to punish you, to your advantage. akin to, as i mentioned originally, intentionally breaking the rule to milk the clock. taking a knee is a subset of a normal play, just a run play. basketball has synonymous play, walking it out.

Yes. That was Wisconsin. In a game where someone accidentally messed up JoPa's leg. 

In either case, it makes for more unsightly basketball and longer games. I get that it's smart to do, and I wish UW had the foul called correctly when it tired. But in a vaccum having shots like the one this weekend in the air instead of the grinding stop and start of foul up 3 is just better for the sport.