header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread

 (Read 85271 times)

grillrat

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 591
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #323 on: December 15, 2022, 04:23:09 PM »
Didn't PSU just curb stomp Illinois @ Illinois?  Missing "upset"?

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #324 on: December 15, 2022, 04:36:51 PM »
Didn't PSU just curb stomp Illinois @ Illinois?  Missing "upset"?
You are right and thanks for catching that.  I forgot to enter game results from the December 10 games.  It didn't matter for PU/UNL because PU won as expected (although not as convincingly as expected) but it matters for Penn State's road upset of Illinois.  That makes the following changes to the projections:
  • Illinois moves down from alone in second place to tied with Indiana for second/third place.  Indiana wins the tie based on a better projected record against Purdue (the Illini do not host the Boilermakers) so Indiana moves up to the #2 seed.  
  • Penn State moves up from a projected 7-13 to a projected 8-12.  The Nittany Lions feel like a team that could sneak into the Tournament if they catch a few breaks.  After their home loss to MSU it "felt like" they were not going to but the road win over Illinois cancels that out.  With a projected final record of 8-12 they aren't all that far away from at least being on the bubble heading to Chicago.  
  • The top of the four-way tie between IA, RU, tOSU, and UMD was decided between Rutgers and Iowa based on record against Illinois but that now changes to record against Illinois and Indiana.  Ultimately this makes no difference because both teams play Indiana twice so Iowa still wins that tie.  
I'll quote/repost the projections.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #325 on: December 15, 2022, 04:41:12 PM »
I'd move Illinois and Indiana down, and Wisconsin up.  Possibly MSU down to #3, but I know you aren't because of Izzo

I dont disagree but I want to wait until at least after the non-CG bowls to make any changes because we don't get back into league play until basically NYE weekend. 


847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25278
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #326 on: December 16, 2022, 08:18:07 AM »
UW sleepwalked through the first half against Lehigh last night - entering the half down 32-31. Not sure what went on in that locker room at the half, but the Badgers won 78-56.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37586
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #327 on: December 16, 2022, 09:44:58 AM »
Greg told them to make some 3's
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #328 on: December 16, 2022, 04:38:44 PM »
UW sleepwalked through the first half against Lehigh last night - entering the half down 32-31. Not sure what went on in that locker room at the half, but the Badgers won 78-56.
46 points in a half is a lot fir any team. For Wisconsin it is astounding.

That isn't a knock on Wisconsin, just their style doesn't generally lend itself to scoring a lot of points. 

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #329 on: December 16, 2022, 04:45:46 PM »
Some interesting games tomorrow with almost the entire league playing this weekend:

  • IU+5.5 at Kansas at noon, ESPN2
  • RU-11 hosts Wake at noon, BTN
  • NU-6.5 hosts DePaul at 2, BTN
  • tOSU pk vs UNC in MSG at 3, CBS
  • IL hosts BamaA&M at 4, BTN
  • M hosts Lipscomb at 4, BTN+
  • PU-15 hosts Davidson at 615, BTN
  • UNL+2 vs KSU in KC at 7, ESPN
  • IA-22 hosts SEMizzouSt at 830, BTN
  • PSU hosts Canisius at noon Sunday, BTN



rolltidefan

  • Global Moderator
  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 2219
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #330 on: December 16, 2022, 05:38:50 PM »
Some interesting games tomorrow with almost the entire league playing this weekend:

  • IU+5.5 at Kansas at noon, ESPN2
  • RU-11 hosts Wake at noon, BTN
  • NU-6.5 hosts DePaul at 2, BTN
  • tOSU pk vs UNC in MSG at 3, CBS
  • IL hosts BamaA&M at 4, BTN
  • M hosts Lipscomb at 4, BTN+
  • PU-15 hosts Davidson at 615, BTN
  • UNL+2 vs KSU in KC at 7, ESPN
  • IA-22 hosts SEMizzouSt at 830, BTN
  • PSU hosts Canisius at noon Sunday, BTN



cbb at large is a great weekend.

  • unc vs 23 osu (msg)
  • 14 indiana @ 8 kansas
  • 4 bama vs 15 gonzaga (bham)
  • 5 houston @ 2 uva
  • 16 ucla vs 13 kentucky (msg)
  • davidson @ 1 purdue
  • 3 uconn @ butler
  • 6 tenn @ 9 arizona
  • 19 auburn @ usc
  • wash st vs 11 byalor (dallas)
  • aTm @ memphis

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25278
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #331 on: December 17, 2022, 07:31:01 AM »
46 points in a half is a lot fir any team. For Wisconsin it is astounding.

That isn't a knock on Wisconsin, just their style doesn't generally lend itself to scoring a lot of points.
Bo Ryan is not coaching anymore. Gard has changed things up, quite a bit. Style depends on the opponent, and who is on the floor at the time.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 7868
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #332 on: December 17, 2022, 08:48:02 AM »
Bo Ryan is not coaching anymore. Gard has changed things up, quite a bit. Style depends on the opponent, and who is on the floor at the time.
I mean, they're still 341 in pace.

After halftime, they had 47 points on 31 shots. So every trip down was 1.52 points. Style was still slow, but a lot was going in. 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25278
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #333 on: December 17, 2022, 08:57:22 AM »
You can play fast at a slow pace. Playing fast doesn't always mean playing like 1990 UNLV.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37586
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #334 on: December 17, 2022, 08:59:10 AM »
or Phi Slamma Jamma
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 7868
  • Liked:
Re: 2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #335 on: December 17, 2022, 09:12:56 AM »
So UW has topped expectations at this point (surprise, surprise). They're 9-2, should be 11-2 by start of conference play, and they open with the league's worst team in Madison, so barring a disaster, 12-2 with a feisty overall schedule. 

Projection has them favored by more than 5 only three times in the final 17 games, both a tribute to them not yet making a massive jump in the predictive metrics and a conference with a pretty good set of teams after 10. 

What's been most interesting is how UW got here. I came in thinking, there are three star-type guys. If they do their jobs, they need a few role guys to step up and we'll be alright. What's happened is the stars have been between quite good and "I know you have more there" and they hit on three role guys in  big way. Depth is still an issue, but I think if the best guys turn it on, there's more room to improve. A look at some dudes and how they're playing compared to what I realistically thought they could be:

Tyler Wahl, playing 80-85 percent to potential: The offense is running through him and he's been a good rebounder, plus a top defender as always. His offensive efficiency has been much worst than it should be as he sometimes presses into turnovers and sometimes decides to take some really ambitious shots. Still, overall pretty happy with him.

Chucky Hepburn, playing 70 percent to his potential: Still a floor general, steady presence, great defender, etc. Hasn't been able to take over on offense like I'd hoped as a creator. At the moment, he's hitting 34 percent from inside the arc. I know he can be better. Still, if that's the biggest star underperformer, not bad. 

Steven Crowl, playing 85-90 percent to ability: He's been basically what I hoped. Could he be a little stronger in the post? Yes. Could he be hitting more than 25.8 percent of his 3s, which he has the ability to hit? Yes. Could his D be a bit better and free throw shooting be higher than 66 percent? I think so. That being said, he's a solid post option, great passer and rebounding much better than last year. I think he has more, but he's in a reasonable spot compared to where I'd hoped.

Max Klesmit, 100 percent to ability: He was a low-major transfer, and I hoped he could be a classic UW shooting guard. He's basically played to that standard and maybe a bit better. Plus defender, hitting 3s, smart and moving the ball, occasionally can create. His so-so 2-point shooting and a few too many turnovers are the only blemishes, but coming out of the portal, would've taken this.

Jordan Davis, 105 percent to ability: The hope with Davis was to be a classic UW floor spacer, low-usage, defend wings, hit 3s. He's occasionally too hyped on that shot, but he doesn't turn it over, finishes on cuts (less on long 2s) and is shooting a solid 34 percent from 3. I'd like a little more, but considering he was the 2-star package deal for his bro, a guy who can close games is net positive ROI.

Connor Essegian, 135 percent to ability: I would've thought he could've been a nice rotation floor spacer if his defense came around. His defense has been passable, but he's been a flame thrower. Kid might be the best pure shooter I've seen at UW. He's cocky and fearless, something the Badgers often don't have. I assume there's at least one better option at each spot, but he'll at least be a name for conference sixth man and freshman of the year, and that's cool for a recruit outside the top 225. 

Elsewhere, Carter Gilmore is playing hard, but not an above average seventh man (if he could get a nominally good jumped under control, it would help). Transfer PR Kamari McGee has been jumped by walk-on transfer Isaac Lindsey, who is a bit too confident for his station, but a body and a kid who mostly knows what to do. I was hoping either Markus Ilver or Chris Hodges would step up. Ilver got a few minutes, but nothing notable. Hodges, not much there. 

The projection machine picks them at 21-10, 12-8 in conference. I'd take that. Even looking at a likely 12-2 start, not too bad for a team many picked to miss the dance. 

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.