2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread

[ELA]

3/12 Update

Not doing a true bracket at this point, but a daily update with the seeds.  You can read this as a true snake, so, if you go straight down a line, that would be a region, if they didn't adjust to avoid rematches, and regional considerations, with auto-bids in bold

(number in parenthesis indicates moving up or down a seed line, or new)

NCAA

• Kansas (+1), Baylor, Kentucky, Arizona
• Duke, Auburn (-1), Tennessee, Gonzaga
• PURDUE, Villanova, Texas Tech, UCLA
• WISCONSIN, ILLINOIS, Arkansas, Houston
• IOWA (+1), Connecticut, North Carolina, Saint Mary's
• Providence (-1), LSU, Murray State, Texas
• MICHIGAN STATE, USC, Alabama, Colorado State
• OHIO STATE, Seton Hall, San Diego State, TCU
• Iowa State, Davidson, Boise State, Memphis (+2)
• San Francisco, MICHIGAN, Creighton (+2), Loyola (Chi) (-1)
• Wake Forest, INDIANA (N), Texas A&M (N), Virginia Tech (+1)
• Notre Dame (-2)/Marquette (-1), Oklahoma (-2)/Miami (-1), South Dakota State, UAB (N)
• Chattanooga, Vermont, NM State, Princeton (+1)
• Saint Peter's, Montana State, Longwood, Kent State (N)
• Norfolk State, Delaware, Jacksonville State (+1), Georgia State
• CS Fullerton (N)/Texas A&M-CC (N), Texas Southern/Wright State, Bryant, Colgate (-1)

NCAA Bid Changes

• INDIANA and Texas A&M replace SMU and VCU
• UAB replaces North Texas as Conference USA AQ
• Kent State replaces Toledo as MAC AQ
• CS Fullerton replaces UC Santa Barbara as Big West AQ
• Texas A&M-CC replaces Nicholls State as Southland AQ

NIT

• SMU (N), North Texas (N), VCU (N), Wyoming
• RUTGERS, Dayton, BYU, Florida (-1)
• Xavier (-1), Mississippi State, Saint Louis (+1), Colorado
• South Carolina, Belmont, West Virginia, St. Bonaventure (-1)
• Vanderbilt, Virginia, Kansas State, Iona (+1)
• MARYLAND, Toledo (N), Drake, St. John's (-1)
• Richmond, Towson, Northern Iowa, Texas State (+1)
• Alcorn State, Nicholls State (N), Cleveland State, Long Beach State

[bayareabadger]

I think Iowa is on another level right now, and Id be a little surprised if they don't win the BTT, but I don't think I'd ever be happier than MSU doesn't hang BTT banners than for this year, if they pull it out.

For all of Izzos accomplishments, he's never won a random BTT.  But thinking bout it has anyone?  Seems like we've never had a team like Oregon State or Georgetown last year, or Georgia a decade ago, to pull out a BTT win when they needed it to get in.  Illinois made it to the title game as the last place team in one of the first years, but who is the worst team to actually win it?  The plane crash Michigan team?

That Michigan team was the lowest, an 8 seed that entered the tournament at 20-11. They were a 5 the next year and won. Only other one lower than a 4 was Iowa in the early 2000s.

[ELA]

Yeah, and even that Michigan team felt safely in, they just sort of needed to win that first game to avoid a bad loss IIRC.  Certainly didn't need to win the whole thing

[ELA]

Saturday is when (anecdotally) it feels like the extra bye helps.  I think it's negligible when one team is playing their first vs. a team playing their second, because the slight rest advantage seems to wash out with having some comfort in the arena.

But it seems like it's the third game in a row that starts to show the legs, so I think the bigger advantage is not Friday (unless you are playing a team that played Wednesday), but on Saturday

[medinabuckeye1]

For all of Izzos accomplishments, he's never won a random BTT.  But thinking bout it has anyone?  Seems like we've never had a team like Oregon State or Georgetown last year, or Georgia a decade ago, to pull out a BTT win when they needed it to get in.  Illinois made it to the title game as the last place team in one of the first years, but who is the worst team to actually win it?  The plane crash Michigan team?

2017 Michigan as a #8 was the lowest to win it and they really didn't get any help. Their path was 9/1/4/2.

2001 Iowa as a #6 was the next lowest but they had LOTS of help. Their path was 11/3/7/4.

2018 Michigan as a #5 was the only other team below a #4 to win. Their path was 12/4/1/3.

Lowest seeds to make the CG:

• #11 Illinois lost to #1 MSU by 17 in 1999.
• #10 Illinois lost to #1 Wisconsin by 13 in 2008.
• #9 Iowa lost by 17 to #2 tOSU in 2002.
• #8 Ohio State lost by 13 to #2 I'll in 2003.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Painter has said that he thinks the team playing their second has a slight advantage over the team playing their first, at least early in the game. I think that makes sense.

I also agree that if one team is playing their third in a row and the other is playing their first, the fatigue factor probably overwhelms any advantage they might gain from familiarity/rhythm.

[ELA]

Painter has said that he thinks the team playing their second has a slight advantage over the team playing their first, at least early in the game. I think that makes sense.

I also agree that if one team is playing their third in a row and the other is playing their first, the fatigue factor probably overwhelms any advantage they might gain from familiarity/rhythm.

I think 3rd over 2nd too.  The 3rd game seems to be where the legs are just gone

[MaximumSam]

Now that's a game winner that reminds me of my game

[FearlessF]

Bohanan didn't call glass

[ELA]

Wow, Indiana deserved that one.  Iowa keeps rolling

[ELA]

The most surprising thing about Will Wade being fired for cause is that it happened five years after being caught on a wire tap discussing a payment offer to a recruit, and 3 years after said discussion was released publicly

[ELA]

The downside to our two point guard lineup, is apparently the chance that both will twist their ankles on the same possession and go to the locker room

[betarhoalphadelta]

Seems like a typical Boiler/Spartan rock fight so far...

[bayareabadger]

I was hoping this game would be more fun. MSU going up for Wisconsin games and then kind of dropping off has been an annoying thing that I feel like happened (it totally probably hasn't happened, and my annoyed brain has been selective)

As I write that, one of the big points missed a 2-footer and Bingham got swatted at the rim.