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Topic: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #952 on: February 15, 2022, 09:04:32 PM »
MSU has played one good game in the past 7ish weeks.  They won at Wisconsin.

I have a hard time seeing how you think that wasn't a must win to have any prayer of a Big Ten title. 
Vis-a-vis B1G Title, ok agreed.

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #953 on: February 15, 2022, 09:37:15 PM »
Bucks with a pretty lousy first half.  Lucky to only be down 2 in a must win game against Minnesota.

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #954 on: February 15, 2022, 09:57:35 PM »
Huh? Good for PSU, I guess

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #955 on: February 15, 2022, 10:39:16 PM »
Minnesota bad.  They bad bad.  Ohio State had a really bad 1st half.  Minny just had 2 bad halves.  Getting outscored 47-20 in a half by any team is beyond awful.

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #956 on: February 15, 2022, 10:43:17 PM »
I really don't know what to think about Wisconsin.  Such an up and down team.  At least we all agree that this game against IU is a must win.

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #957 on: February 15, 2022, 11:20:17 PM »
Bucks with a pretty lousy first half.  Lucky to only be down 2 in a must win game against Minnesota.
I really don't know what to think about Wisconsin.  Such an up and down team.  At least we all agree that this game against IU is a must win.
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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #958 on: February 15, 2022, 11:27:15 PM »
I really don't know what to think about Wisconsin.  Such an up and down team.  At least we all agree that this game against IU is a must win.
Think they got some kinda thing going. 

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #959 on: February 15, 2022, 11:39:37 PM »
It's obvious.  When you think they are good, they are bad, until their best player leaves, which makes them good.  Then when they return that entire good team, they are bad.  Then when all the good players who became bad leave, the bad players, who couldn't play over the formerly good, but then bad players, now have to ply, they are good

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #960 on: February 15, 2022, 11:55:08 PM »
I hesitate to ask this because I feel like this is an Izzo team, I've seen this movie before, and I know how it ends but . . . should we drop MSU a tier?  

The difference between tier-1 and tier-2 is projected result in road games against tier-3 teams, for MSU those are:

  • @MN, won 75-67 on 12/8
  • @NU, won 73-67 on 1/2
  • @UMD, won 65-63 on 2/1
  • @PSU, lost 62-58 tonight
  • @M, 3/1

They are 3-1 in these games but their negative upsets are:
  • Lost at home to NU on 1/15
  • Lost at home to UW on 2/8
  • Lost at PSU on 2/15
Oddly, I feel like MSU is regressing before our eyes.  I assume that Izzo will turn this around but this is very uncharacteristic for an Izzo team.  Usually they are fairly pedestrian in December/January and rounding into form about now.  Instead this team actually looked surprisingly good early in the year and right now they don't look good at all.  In this calendar year the Spartans are 7-5 which isn't bad but the bulk of the wins are decidedly NOT impressive:
  • @ NU
  • vs UNL
  • vs MN
  • @ UW
  • vs M
  • @ UMD
  • vs IU

Wisconsin on the road is a great win.  Michigan and Indiana at home are good but nothing to write home about.  The rest are games that any tournament team should win easily.  

The losses aren't very good either:
  • vs NU
  • @ IL
  • @ RU
  • vs UW
  • @ PSU

The IL and RU losses aren't bad.  The UW loss is just a trade off for winning there (those wash out).  Losing at home to NU and losing to PSU, those are not good.  

I don't think we should drop them because they are 3-1 in the relevant games but honestly if we were ranking them right now I don't think I'd include them in tier-1.  They look more like RU/IU/IA than PU/IL/UW/tOSU.  


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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #961 on: February 16, 2022, 12:06:50 AM »
Just a partial update to the projections:

  • 15-5:  UW/tOSU projected to finish tied for 1st/2nd:  UW would win this tie
  • 14-6:  PU/IL projected to finish tied for 3rd/4th:  PU would win this tie
  • 12-8:  RU/MSU projected to finish tied for 5th/6th:  RU would win this tie
  • 11-9:  M/IA projected to finish tied for 7th/8th:  M would win this tie
  • 9-11:  9th place IU
  • 8-12:  10th place PSU
  • 7-13:  11th place NU
  • 6-14:  12th place UMD
  • 5-15:  13th place MN
  • 1-19:  14th place UNL


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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #962 on: February 16, 2022, 12:16:30 AM »
Upthread we talked about Michigan and Rutgers getting onto the Bubble which was a good thing but I think that Indiana is approaching the bubble from the other direction which is a bad thing.  

Indiana's big problem is that their OOC SOS was abysmal.  Frankly, I think that is pathetic for a program with Indiana's pedigree.  Here are the worst OOC SOS in the B1G:

  • #276 Northwestern
  • #269 Indiana
  • #258 Rutgers
  • #249 Iowa
  • #209 Nebraska
  • #207 Minnesota


I don't like it but I understand why Northwestern, Rutgers, Nebraska, and Minnesota schedule lightweight OOC slates.  Indiana and Iowa shouldn't be doing that.  

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #963 on: February 16, 2022, 08:09:07 AM »
Upthread we talked about Michigan and Rutgers getting onto the Bubble which was a good thing but I think that Indiana is approaching the bubble from the other direction which is a bad thing. 

Indiana's big problem is that their OOC SOS was abysmal.  Frankly, I think that is pathetic for a program with Indiana's pedigree.  Here are the worst OOC SOS in the B1G:

  • #276 Northwestern
  • #269 Indiana
  • #258 Rutgers
  • #249 Iowa
  • #209 Nebraska
  • #207 Minnesota


I don't like it but I understand why Northwestern, Rutgers, Nebraska, and Minnesota schedule lightweight OOC slates.  Indiana and Iowa shouldn't be doing that. 
They have 2.5 games that had the possibility of being good, each scheduled as part of a larger event (Big Ten-ACC, Gavitt games, Crossroads challenge). None of those teams are super notable. They also set up their own Thanksgiving tournament for reasons unknown, which meant only getting Jackson State, Louisiana and Marshall. 

That is some weird work. Looks like Iowa did the same with an MTE.  

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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #964 on: February 16, 2022, 08:13:51 AM »
I'd say MSU drops one tier. Everything else stays.
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Re: 2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread
« Reply #965 on: February 16, 2022, 08:27:14 AM »
I'm starting to feel like Illinois is gonna close out at 5-1 and make the conference title race a moot point. 

 

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