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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8484 on: September 04, 2020, 10:52:06 PM »
The DNC and RNC are co-ruling monarchies.  A duarchy or whatever.  The way they press this button for a candidate and don't pull that leverl for a candidate is the most influential entity in the voter-representative process.
The RNC is powerless and the DNC only slightly less so.  They are empty shells, used by demagogues to label themselves in order to lend credence to their drive for the White House.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8485 on: September 04, 2020, 10:53:49 PM »
See post below- Which I sent before you even posed this question but clearly answers the question.

We have already discussed this but to rehash, like you I was hopeful that his election, being an outsider and not a career politician, would have some positives to it. The liberals in the media began their attacks long before he took office. It’s a 24 seven attack cycle and has been every single day of his presidency. They cannot acknowledge A single positive thing that he has accomplished, which in my view there are quite a few. No political figure in modern history has had as much of the media against him working diligently to undermine him since before he took office and then this poor guy has. And while you guys will try to deny that I firmly believe you’re being dishonest and you all know that. There really is no disputing it.

after I voted for Obama, and he and that entire party turned me off to such a high degree, this despicable treatment from the media has just made me sicker by the day. 
It’s not that you criticize him correctly, which you do but seriously how can I take anything you guys say seriously when you’re trying to blame him for things that clearly could or should be blamed on the left?

To Trump, The media are attack dogs and have been since day one.  To Biden, they are lapdogs. They won’t ask him any questions and when they do their huge fat softballs. 

it is clear to me and many many many others that the liberal playbook is to do bad things and then try to paint a picture that he is the cause of those things. Over and over and over.


Was it you that said you’re surprised he has so much support?  Stop and take a look at what the “other side “is offering?  It’s all one great big huge turn off. 

if Trump wasn’t such a dick, or if he was just half as much of a dick as he is, I would definitely be voting for him just to stop the left agenda which I just hate.  But I have to look in the mirror and I know I can’t do that if I vote for him and I definitely can’t do that if I vote for the “other side“
it will be interesting to me when he’s out of office next year how much of things that might not go well or go wrong the Democrats will still be trying to blame on him. I’m going to guess it will go on for years.
Both sides do this.  Trump is still blaming Obama for everything that has gone wrong on his watch.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8486 on: September 04, 2020, 11:07:11 PM »
People who believe in the Second Amendment, controlling our borders, law and order, fair trade deals, and not necessarily believe in choir long politicians are the underdog. He is horrible at it because it is horrible communication skills but he’s the only one speaking for those people.
When the other side "speaks for those people" in an obvious attempt to win their votes, we call it "pandering."
I don't see that Trump is doing anything different than that.
To the extent that he's been political, he was a lifelong centrist Democrat, perhaps because it would not have helped him to be a Republican in New York.  He was friends with the Clintons.
When it was obvious that he had no career as a Democrat on the national stage, he switched and used the GOP instead.
He doesn't care about those little people whose voice has been ignored any more than any demagogue cares about the people to whom he appeals.  Those people are just means to an end, like people in the military are and Big Ten football fans are.  He doesn't care about them.  He cares about himself.
If he were on the other "side," Republicans would be calling him out every day, just as they did with Obama, who was not as obvious a demagogue as Trump is.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8487 on: September 04, 2020, 11:09:26 PM »
When the other side "speaks for those people" in an obvious attempt to win their votes, we call it "pandering."
I don't see that Trump is doing anything different than that.
To the extent that he's been political, he was a lifelong centrist Democrat, perhaps because it would not have helped him to be a Republican in New York.  He was friends with the Clintons.
When it was obvious that he had no career as a Democrat on the national stage, he switched and used the GOP instead.
He doesn't care about those little people whose voice has been ignored any more than any demagogue cares about the people to whom he appeals.  Those people are just means to an end, like people in the military are and Big Ten football fans are.  He doesn't care about them.  He cares about himself.
If he were on the other "side," Republicans would be calling him out every day, just as they did with Obama, who was not as obvious a demagogue as Trump is.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8488 on: September 04, 2020, 11:23:48 PM »
Maybe that’s what you are seeing. What I am seeing is more like:

How dare you blame anything on a democrat- their disgusting behavior is Trumps fault.
So basically certain people here carrying CNNs  and MSNBC propaganda

well guess what- that may work on Facebook or Twitter but it’s not going to stand here. We are going to discuss the many disgusting things going on in this country that can directly be tied to the left.
What you are describing is not me.  I'll gladly criticize Democrats for all that they have done wrong over many decades.  But they are not the subject.  The only time they are brought up is as a rebuttal of someone criticizing Trump.
You and the other anti-anti-Trumpers are describing every criticism of Trump as coming from lunatic America-haters.  That is not correct.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8489 on: September 05, 2020, 03:33:34 PM »
The RNC is powerless and the DNC only slightly less so.  They are empty shells, used by demagogues to label themselves in order to lend credence to their drive for the White House.
Tell that to the 15 other, BETTER Republican candidates from 2016.  Tell that to Bernie (twice bitten) Sanders.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8490 on: September 05, 2020, 03:35:28 PM »
Tell that to the 15 other, BETTER Republican candidates from 2016.  Tell that to Bernie (twice bitten) Sanders.
I love to see dems cry in the beer

have another on me
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8491 on: September 05, 2020, 03:37:42 PM »
I love to see dems cry in the beer

have another on me
You don't even care what this is about, do you?  lol and you expect respect.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8492 on: September 05, 2020, 03:38:17 PM »
What you are describing is not me. 
He has zero interest in reality.  He paints any dissenting voice as a caricature of something he saw on Fox News.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8493 on: September 05, 2020, 03:44:51 PM »
He has zero interest in reality.  He paints any dissenting voice as a caricature of something he saw on Fox News. 
now there ya go again gereralizing 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8494 on: September 05, 2020, 03:50:35 PM »
Tell that to the 15 other, BETTER Republican candidates from 2016.  Tell that to Bernie (twice bitten) Sanders.
Trump was the people's primary voters' choice, not the RNC's.  The RNC just caved in and let him take the nomination by being the bigger, badder demagogue.
You've got a better case for Bernie, but even without the Super-Delegates (appointed by the DNC), Hillary had the necessary delegates sewed up before the DNC convention even began.  The fact that a non-Democrat like Bernie got as close as he did in 2016 supports my point better than yours, I think.  He didn't even get close this year, so he wasn't "bitten," and it wasn't because of anything the DNC did.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8495 on: September 05, 2020, 03:56:16 PM »
Trump was the people's primary voters' choice, not the RNC's.  The RNC just caved in and let him take the nomination by being the bigger, badder demagogue.
You've got a better case for Bernie, but even without the Super-Delegates (appointed by the DNC), Hillary had the necessary delegates sewed up before the DNC convention even began.  The fact that a non-Democrat like Bernie got as close as he did in 2016 supports my point better than yours, I think.  He didn't even get close this year, so he wasn't "bitten," and it wasn't because of anything the DNC did.
The superdelegates thing, I think, has been fixed.  I guess then they were counted beforehand or early on and now they're not?  I'm only partial on that, and you may know better than I.

But as you acknowledge the RNC caved, the DNC didn't.  And I don't think there's any way they would have, either.  I'm still stunned, to this day, that the RNC just let decent, quality candidates fall by the wayside.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8496 on: September 05, 2020, 03:58:05 PM »
Trump was the people's primary voters' choice, not the RNC's.  The RNC just caved in and let him take the nomination by being the bigger, badder demagogue.
You've got a better case for Bernie, but even without the Super-Delegates (appointed by the DNC), Hillary had the necessary delegates sewed up before the DNC convention even began.  The fact that a non-Democrat like Bernie got as close as he did in 2016 supports my point better than yours, I think.  He didn't even get close this year, so he wasn't "bitten," and it wasn't because of anything the DNC did.
I think the reason Bernie didnt do better is that a lot of the other candidates stole his thunder and moved far more left then even he was

in other words he didnt stand out
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8497 on: September 05, 2020, 04:00:49 PM »
The superdelegates thing, I think, has been fixed.  I guess then they were counted beforehand or early on and now they're not?  I'm only partial on that, and you may know better than I.

But as you acknowledge the RNC caved, the DNC didn't.  And I don't think there's any way they would have, either.  I'm still stunned, to this day, that the RNC just let decent, quality candidates fall by the wayside. 

how is it that the RNC caved when you are talking about winning or losing primaries

what choice did they have he won the needed primaries

what am I missing
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