2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

[betarhoalphadelta]

I think "#1 overall pick" is usually not a good way to evaluate... Because if you have the #1 pick, your team sucks in MANY ways.

And if your team sucks that badly, you might have numerous ownership/management/coaching issues that can't be solved by a QB. Good organizations rarely have the #1 overall pick. 

That said, I wonder what percentage of Super Bowl winning QBs won it for the team that drafted them? And what percentage of THOSE were first rounders?

It's all about roster construction, and I wonder if optimal is that you get your QB through the draft or whether it doesn't matter if you get your QB from the draft or trade/free agency and use your draft slots on other positions of need...

[MrNubbz]

It was pretty much a wash at TE, but Chiefs had better WR’s and the best QB in the entire league. That Super QB took the game over in the 4th QTR while the 49ers mediocre QB folded under pressure.

It was the arrogant 9ers defense that let up 3 scores in the final 6 minutes.Spend more time finishing up than celebrating INTs and posing for pictures

[MrNubbz]

I find it interesting how a top level CFB player might get drafted fairly late, second or third round anyway.  I'm also surprised somewhat that even Cleveland would draft Manziel, that one had mistake written all over it from the start, but it was Cleveland.

Most of us had a melt down,couldn't believe that pixie was drafted higher than the 3rd rd.It was only a few yrs earlier they took a 28yr old rookie weedon - can't make this shit up.If TNT were brains Haslem couldn't blow his eardrums out.I've always said this board could ferret out talent better than most NFL front offices

[MrNubbz]

Fournette is one of the most talented backs in football. A change of scenery might do him very well.

Maybe but he could have picked up a Jameis attitude.Not a trait in high demand i would think

[FearlessF]

89 draft is on ESPN2

[Mdot21]

89 draft is on ESPN2

Imagine if the Packers had taken Barry Sanders #2 instead of Tony Mandrich. Brett Favre arrived in '92. They would've played together for 7 years and probably longer, because I highly doubt Barry retires after the '98 season had he been in a winning organization.

Favre was probably the best QB of the 90's. Barry was the best RB of the 90's. The two of them together would've been unstoppable.

[FearlessF]

or derrick thomas or Deion sanders, or Steve Atwater or Andre Rison

[Mdot21]

Orlando Pace. No. 1 pick, on the short list of best to ever play. Ron Yary was also taken No. 1 and he didn't win a Super Bowl, but led his team there four times. Eric Fisher actually was taken No. 1 overall and did win a title with him, though he hasn't been all that. Jake Long was only a four-time Pro Bowler.

Jake Long would've been in the HoF if not for injuries derailing his career. His first four years in the league he never missed a start until the final game of the 2011 season in which he tore his triceps. He had surgery on his back and triceps that off-season and then he came back strong in 2012 to make the Pro Bowl. He made 4 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pro teams his first 5 years in the league, and he made the first two NFL top 100 lists ever done by NFL Network.

Miami didn't franchise tag Long, they offered him an extension after the 2012 season but the Rams offered him a bigger contract with more guaranteed money, so he went with the Rams and started the first 15 games and was playing at a high level until he tore his ACL in the week before the end of the regular season. He came back the next year for the Rams and tore the same ACL just 7 games into the 2014 season. He was coming off back to back ACL tears in the same knee and the Rams owed him a ton of money so they cut him in 2015 to save $10 million against the cap. The Falcons signed him on 1 year prove it deal in 2015, he made it through that season unscathed and then signed with Minnesota in 2016 hoping to revive his career and the guy tore his Achilles just 10 weeks into that season and then it was all she wrote. He retired shortly after that injury.


He's in the same class with Tony Boselli- guys that would've been HoF'ers if injuries didn't destroy their careers. Boselli made 5 Pro Bowls and 3 All-Pro teams in his first 5 years in the NFL, Jake Long made 4 and 2. Both of them deteriorated quickly after the injuries started to mount up and retired as shells of their former selves despite not playing very long in the NFL.

[OrangeAfroMan]

I don't think the answer is that you NEED at high-pick QB or that you need to start on the line.  If you're picking #1, your TEAM sucks and you should ALWAYS trade down.  Always, forever, no matter what.  And you get #1 picks from someone next year and the year after that.  Hell, trade down multiple times if you can.  Your entire roster needs an upgrade.  

[OrangeAfroMan]

Injuries!  Another reason to accrue picks instead of going all-in at one position with one guy.

[Mdot21]

or derrick thomas or Deion sanders, or Steve Atwater or Andre Rison

Atwater and Rison aren't in the same class as the others mentioned. Good players, not all-time greats. Rison wound up on the Packers playing with Favre anyway.

DT or Deion Sanders wouldn't have the same impact as Barry Sanders + Brett Favre. When have we ever seen the best QB and the best RB in the entire league on the same team in the same backfield together? Favre won the MVP in '95, '96, and '97 and that was without playing with a RB in the same universe as Barry Sanders. The two of them together in the 90's would've destroyed the entire league. Packers would've gotten more than 1 Super Bowl.

[Mdot21]

I don't think the answer is that you NEED at high-pick QB or that you need to start on the line.  If you're picking #1, your TEAM sucks and you should ALWAYS trade down.  Always, forever, no matter what.  And you get #1 picks from someone next year and the year after that.  Hell, trade down multiple times if you can.  Your entire roster needs an upgrade. 

So you're telling me the Colts- who sucked- should've traded down and passed on Peyton Manning? Or the Broncos who sucked- shouldn't have made the trade to go to #1 and gotten John Elway? Or the Cowboys should've traded down and passed on Troy Aikman?

If you've got a chance to take a franchise QB- you take him imo. Passing on a great QB like that at #1 is just as bad as taking a shitty one like Heath Shuler or Tim Couch high.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Atwater and Rison aren't in the same class as the others mentioned. Good players, not all-time greats. Rison wound up on the Packers playing with Favre anyway.   We know, the point is almost anyone would be a better choice than Mandarich, lol.

DT or Deion Sanders wouldn't have the same impact as Barry Sanders + Brett Favre. When have we ever seen the best QB and the best RB in the entire league on the same team in the same backfield together? Favre won the MVP in '95, '96, and '97 and that was without playing with a RB in the same universe as Barry Sanders. The two of them together in the 90's would've destroyed the entire league. Packers would've gotten more than 1 Super Bowl.
The reason we don't see this is because there's only one ball.  There aren't enough plays to go around to have the best QB and RB.

Bears pick up Donnell Woolford and Trace Armstrong.  Good players.

[OrangeAfroMan]

So you're telling me the Colts- who sucked- should've traded down and passed on Peyton Manning? Or the Broncos who sucked- shouldn't have made the trade to go to #1 and gotten John Elway? Or the Cowboys should've traded down and passed on Troy Aikman?

If you've got a chance to take a franchise QB- you take him imo. Passing on a great QB like that at #1 is just as bad as taking a shitty one like Heath Shuler or Tim Couch high.

Well you're Monday-morning QBing at an elite level here, but yeah.
Pass on Manning, gain #1 picks and Woodson, Fred Taylor, and Randy Moss are still options.  Yeah, you do it.
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You can throw out Elway, that was such a unique situation.  Denver offered too much to the Colts, considering the situation.  
Aikman was throwing to a 1st round WR and handing it off to a 1st round RB.  Let's have some context, here please.  If Emmitt gets a point off for having a great OL, shouldn't Aikman?
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I know no one wants to believe this, but the day before their drafts, there's not much difference between these QBs.  It's a crapshoot.