2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

[betarhoalphadelta]

I do agree there's more roster talent there, but I think the question is whether you really believe that going from Jameis to Brady is the difference between a 7-9 team and a contender... Especially since his arm isn't what it used to be. 

I don't think it's about money for Brady. It's that he's still got the ego telling him "I've still got it", and he wants to prove that to the world. And that he's telling himself that the Buccaneers are closer to being a contender than they really are. 

I worry that reality is going to punch him right in the mouth, and he'll end up coming out of this a LOT worse than if he'd just decided to hang it up. 

Granted, in 2019 the Bucs had pretty good defensive stats, not so great in pts/game but their team was -13 in TO margin over the course of the season so that probably made for some easy points for opposing teams. 

So maybe he'll be ok... 

[Mdot21]

I do agree there's more roster talent there, but I think the question is whether you really believe that going from Jameis to Brady is the difference between a 7-9 team and a contender... Especially since his arm isn't what it used to be.

I don't think it's about money for Brady. It's that he's still got the ego telling him "I've still got it", and he wants to prove that to the world. And that he's telling himself that the Buccaneers are closer to being a contender than they really are.

I worry that reality is going to punch him right in the mouth, and he'll end up coming out of this a LOT worse than if he'd just decided to hang it up.

Granted, in 2019 the Bucs had pretty good defensive stats, not so great in pts/game but their team was -13 in TO margin over the course of the season so that probably made for some easy points for opposing teams.

So maybe he'll be ok...

I don’t see any drop off in Brady’s arm. Whatsoever. His arm was never that big to begin with. It’s still right about where it’s always been, above average. In fact, PFF rated Brady as the #1 rated passer on throws that traveled over 20 yards in the air last season. And that was without him having any help at all. 

Going from Brady to Jameis is going to result in at least 4 or 5 more wins for Tampa. At least. You do realize that last season Jameis threw 30 interceptions, fumbled the ball 12 times, and threw 7 pick 6’s, right? And that Tampa lost either 7 or 8 games by 1 score. Brady isn’t going to turn the ball over 42 times or throw multiple pick 6’s. He just doesn’t do that. 

Brady has never in his entire career had a cast of weapons like he will have down in Tampa. If they can somehow get Trent Williams or one of the highly rated tackles in the 1st round of the draft and steal Swift in the 2nd round that offensive roster will basically be perfect and the best in the entire league.

[FearlessF]

if the O-line protects Brady - the Bucs will be contenders

Jameis has physical talent, but no brain

[OrangeAfroMan]

The Bucs willingly drafted a QB #1 with the most interceptions thrown in college football in 2014.  That's on them. 

[FearlessF]

and crab legs in his britches

[Mdot21]

The Bucs willingly drafted a QB #1 with the most interceptions thrown in college football in 2014.  That's on them.

I think I read a stat on ESPN or something that Jameis has like 122 turnovers in 72 starts since he’s been in the league from 2015-2019. Jameis has lead all QBs in turnovers by a wide margin in the last 5 seasons.

They compared it to Brady who has had 122 turnovers in like I think his last 192 starts. 

I don’t remember the exact stats but it was something ridiculous like that. The Bucs are going to win a lot more games just by virtue of the turnovers being chopped wayyyyyy down. Jameis has been a turnover machine since college.

[Mdot21]

just look at the listed heights/weights, age, speed, and last season stats of the weapons in Tampa.

Mike Evans (26)
6‘5”, 231 lbs, 4.53-40 (combine verified)
1,157 yards and 8 TD’s. 17.3 YPC.

Chris Godwin (24)
6’1”, 209 lbs, 4.42-40 (combine verified)
1,333 yards and 9 TD’s. 15.4 YPC.

OJ Howard (25)
6’6”, 251 lbs, 4.51-40 (combine verified)
459 yards and 1 TD. 13.5 YPC.

Cameron Brate (28)
6’5”, 248 lbs, 4.77-40 (unofficial pro day)
311 yards and 4 TD’s. 9.6 YPC. 

Shore up the OL a little bit, find a slot WR, and find another RB and that offensive weapon set would basically be unstoppable. Lots of good OL’s in this draft and there is also Trent Williams of the Redskins is available. Williams has basically told the Redskins he’s never playing for them again. He could be had for the right price. 

I know Arians said no to Antonio Brown but I still think he’s worth the risk. He’ll come cheap and if he causes a hint of trouble it’ll be easy to cut him. Throw AB in that mix and it will be literally impossible to cover those WR’s/TE’s. I would pay good money to see Antonio Brown play with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and OJ Howard. That would be literally impossible for defenses to cover. We could witness one of the great offenses ever with that kind of collection of raw athletic skill. 

Really interested to see what they’ll do at RB.

[ELA]

Bill O'Brien makes Chip Kelly look like a good GM.

They couldn't have squandered Deshaun Watson's rookie contract more if they tried

[Mdot21]

Bill O'Brien makes Chip Kelly look like a good GM.

They couldn't have squandered Deshaun Watson's rookie contract more if they tried

He makes Matt Millen look like a good GM. Well, maybe not that bad. But yeah, the guy is awful. Easily the worst GM in the NFL.

Hopkins is only 27, and probably one of the 3 or 4 best receivers in the entire NFL. And they gave him up for a ham sandwich. And then they traded part of that ham sandwich for Brandin Cooks.

[MrNubbz]

Going from Brady to Jameis is going to result in at least 4 or 5 more wins for Tampa. At least. 

Jameis belongs right next to Jamarcus for Busts - and I might have to apologize to Jamarcus for that

[MrNubbz]

He makes Matt Millen look like a good GM. 

Um no even though your joking,I've lost track of how many GMs the Browns have had or I'd throw their names out there but not worth anyone's time looking up

[Mdot21]

Jameis belongs right next to Jamarcus for Busts - and I might have to apologize to Jamarcus for that

I wouldn't go that far. Jameis was/is a hell of a lot better than Jamarcus ever dreamed of being in the NFL. Jameis' first two years were actually pretty good for a young QB. The problem with Jameis is he's never cut down on the turnovers after those first two seasons. They've been ramping upwards. That's not what you want to see.

Jameis did throw for 4,000+ yards in three of his five seasons with the Bucs, including one of those seasons being a 5,000+ yard season. He's clearly got talent, he will just never reach his full potential until he drastically cuts down the turnovers. I'm not sure exactly how someone does that- but it can be done imo. With the right coaching and the right training he can learn to live to fight another down and not take so many bad risks. Holmgren did this with Favre in Green Bay and with Steve Young in San Fransisco. He got the best out of those guys and got them to cut down the mistakes. Jameis has a big arm- and unfortunately a lot of guys with big arms think they can make every single throw.

Jamarcus was just a shit-show from the word go. That's the biggest bust there ever will be imo. Not fair to lump Jameis in with him.

[ELA]

Yeah, Jameis was a serviceable NFL QB.  Not what you want from a #1 overall pick, but if he hadn't been picked there, whatever.  JaMarcus wasn't even a pro QB.

[Cincydawg]

So, the LSU wunderkind QB goes to Cincinnati.  Does he start right away?  Will he be decent?  Hmmmm.

Graveyard of QBs usually.  He is a remarkable college talent I think.