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Topic: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

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Mdot21

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #784 on: July 13, 2020, 08:06:29 AM »
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?
Nope.

Military Industrial Complex is corporate welfare at it's finest. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc., etc., have to get that paper. Dollar dollar bills y'all.

Sad thing is, so many politicians and generals leave public office and go to work for the big defense contractors and the big defense contractors pay the former politicians/generals stupid money in salary and other compensation like stock options for no reason other than to lobby congress to spend more money on defense programs. And it's legal. Which blows my mind.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #785 on: July 13, 2020, 08:09:56 AM »
All this is PR and marketing driven, nothing else, in reality.

They are running the calculus of which will alienate fewer fans.
Lol. What? It's not fans that are bitching on twitter about the Redskins name. I'm sure if you asked most actual football fans about the name change, they'd say it's stupid. And I'm sure if you asked all Redskins fans who grew up loving that team- they are probably a little pissed off about the name change right now.

Has nothing to do with alienating fans. The actual fans are against a name change.

Has everything to do with NFL virtue signaling, and throwing out an empty, hollow meaningless gesture- and them caving to a bunch of dickwad "woke" pussies on twitter who probably don't even watch football or even knew there was a Washington Redskins team until one of their twitter friends told them there was an NFL team called the Washington Redskins and that it's racist.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #786 on: July 13, 2020, 08:14:52 AM »
Nope.

Military Industrial Complex is corporate welfare at it's finest. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc., etc., have to get that paper. Dollar dollar bills y'all.

Sad thing is, so many politicians and generals leave public office and go to work for the big defense contractors and the big defense contractors pay the former politicians/generals stupid money in salary and other compensation like stock options for no reason other than to lobby congress to spend more money on defense programs. And it's legal. Which blows my mind.
Good post,I'm as Patriotic as the next guy but too many unsavory types looking for financial windfall by selling fear.Really if our treasury can be saved.all the changes on the books by lobbyists need to be erased - drain the swamp
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #787 on: July 13, 2020, 08:27:02 AM »
I view it as PR.  Virtue signaling is PR.

I've seen PR up close before, it's weird.


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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #788 on: July 13, 2020, 12:49:50 PM »
I'm confused, which name are they changing, Redskins or Washington, or is it both?  

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #789 on: July 13, 2020, 01:00:23 PM »
could just shorten it to "skins"

like Shirts and skins
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #790 on: July 13, 2020, 01:06:09 PM »
Cleveland Browns are doomed.

Of course, "nobody" knows that Paul Brown started the team. Cancel that history.
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #791 on: July 13, 2020, 01:40:26 PM »
Browns fans would be first in line to cancel their team

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #792 on: July 13, 2020, 02:34:28 PM »
I'm certain Paul Brown has a link to racism somewhere along the line
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #793 on: July 13, 2020, 04:41:24 PM »
Browns fans would be first in line to cancel their team
Lions fans would be right there in line behind them.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #794 on: July 13, 2020, 05:50:53 PM »
I find it fascinating, this 'time vs virtuosity' struggle.  Many people think the longer a belief is held, the more true it probably is.  That, of course, is false, but nevertheless many subscribe to it. 

We can call the long-held idea is 'tradition,' which makes it seem more true/likely/important, but again, false. 

We also have many who believe the more people that hold an idea/belief, the more true it probably is.  Another fallacy. 


So it genuinely doesn't matter how long the football team in Washington DC has been called the Redskins and it doesn't matter how many see nothing wrong with it and how few do, it's an obvious racial slur. 

Fixing it is akin to wearing a mask, hell, it's even less than that.  Fixing it is akin to not actively picketing a gay wedding.  It doesn't directly affect anyone.  It harms no one.  People get bent out of shape about it because of ideology, which can bother you all you let it, but has no real bearing on the world at large.

I've already shared my stories about liberal white people being the ones on the front lines of this, and announcing HS football games between native players, with one team being called the Redskins.  But their apathy, too, doesn't make it magically acceptable.  They're facing their own indoctrination, apathy, and bigger problems (running water, electricity, radical poverty, etc).

It's amazing what can bother us so much that has zero direct affect on us.  I bet that's mostly an American thing...but I shouldn't say that, because I'll be told to move to Norway.
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #795 on: July 13, 2020, 06:16:31 PM »
I would think that a belief that is widely accepted for a long period of time is more likely to be true than one that isn't.

Certainly in the realm of science and engineering and math I'd say it definitely is much more likely to be true if a belief has survived for a century or more.

Even a "belief" that has survived 50 years is probably true.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #796 on: July 13, 2020, 06:27:29 PM »
I would think that a belief that is widely accepted for a long period of time is more likely to be true than one that isn't.

Certainly in the realm of science and engineering and math I'd say it definitely is much more likely to be true if a belief has survived for a century or more.

Even a "belief" that has survived 50 years is probably true.
No, not at all.  :banghead:  If this were the case, new discoveries would decrease over time, not increase.  
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread
« Reply #797 on: July 13, 2020, 07:08:48 PM »
folks have been believing in Jesus Christ for centuries!

names are just names to me.  If they change the name of the Redskins or the Minnesooota Vikings, it doesn't bother me

if they change the name of the states of Iowa and Minnesoota, that won't bother me either.
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