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Kris60

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2020, 03:50:55 PM »
Where does that Pujols deal rank among all time worst decisions?  It’s gotta be up there. And the thing is, it’s not like no saw it coming. Before the ink was dry that deal was being called a mistake.

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #169 on: September 23, 2020, 12:38:32 AM »
I respectfully disagree that it is worst ever.  I wish I had more time to provide a more detailed response.   Maybe later.

Its a bad deal, clubs knowingly pay these deals to capture the first half WAR.  

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #170 on: September 23, 2020, 07:56:25 AM »
Pujols' first 5 seasons in Anaheim.
Age, year, WAR, salary
32, 2012  4.8...12,000,000
33, 2013  1.6...16,000,000
34, 2014  3.9...23,000,000
35, 2015  3.0...24,000,000
36, 2016  1.5...25,000,000

So setting aside the net negative WAR the past 4 years at the cost of $110,000,000 (that's a lot to just bypass), that's 14.8 WAR for $100,000,000.
If we set the value of 1 WAR at $8,000,000 (that's what people are saying, fabulous people), then the first 5 years worked out.......at the cost of an additional $110,000,000.  For replacement-level production.


Sorry, I don't buy the "we sign the guy for what he contributes on the front end" crap.  It inevitably hamstrings your franchise for the 6-8 years after that.  Why in the hell should there be a hundred million dollar "tax" on a prudent, first five years of a contract?!?  That's some bullshit a player's agent blows up your ass. 

I've said it a bunch of times, mostly on the Bill James forum:  LET ANOTHER TEAM MAKE THE MISTAKE OF SIGNING A 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYER TO A 10+ YEAR CONTRACT!

No, the Pujols deal wasn't the worst ever - you have guys with negative WAR for the duration of their $100 million contract (Ryan Howard) out there preventing Pujols' from being the worst, but that is one steep tax to get 5 years of good/not great production. 

3 WAR per year (on the front end) isn't the return the Angels were looking for, trust me.  Using WAR, Pujols' best season in Anaheim wasn't as good as his worst in St. Louis.  And THAT is why people suggest it's the worst deal ever, because of how far below expectations he performed.  Nevermind that the expectations were absurd.
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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #171 on: September 27, 2020, 08:47:56 PM »
MLB screwed around and got a Cole-Bieber 1st day matchup

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #172 on: September 27, 2020, 09:08:57 PM »
The Dodgers just played the equivalent of 116-win baseball and now face a sub-.500 team in a best of 3 playoff.  


From a competition standpoint, it's lunacy.  A team that just played .717 baseball for the abridged season has like a 40% chance of getting bounced in the first round.  What sense does that make?
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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #173 on: September 27, 2020, 09:10:08 PM »
How did doing the legwork for the conversation end the conversation?  Hmmph.
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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #174 on: September 27, 2020, 09:35:17 PM »
The Dodgers just played the equivalent of 116-win baseball and now face a sub-.500 team in a best of 3 playoff. 


From a competition standpoint, it's lunacy.  A team that just played .717 baseball for the abridged season has like a 40% chance of getting bounced in the first round.  What sense does that make?
happens with playoffs
I'm not much of a fan of playoffs that allow teams that aren't worthy
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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #175 on: September 27, 2020, 09:43:57 PM »
I'm mildly offended the NL is allowed to put teams in the postseason.  Haven't they lost like 17 of 18 interleague series?

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #176 on: September 27, 2020, 09:45:28 PM »
was chukking about this with my brother.  We were reviewing some of the teams that have started 29-31 (or worse) over the years.  There have been some pennant winning clubs in that sampling.  including WSH last year starting 27-33.

It took the Brewers about four minutes to email me about ordering my postseason gear.  Only if its a shirt that says  "First ever sub .500"
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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #177 on: September 27, 2020, 09:47:29 PM »
I saw a ridiculous story recently boasting how the NL was set to outscore the AL for the first time 50 years.

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #178 on: September 27, 2020, 11:27:30 PM »
I enjoyed the novelty of inner league play, when it was limited to a couple weeks in the middle of summer. But with 15 teams in each league, necessitating year-round interleague play, and assuming both leaks now have the DH, I think it's time to consider totally resetting it geographically.

I sort of wish each league would add a team, they go back to very limited in early play, and keep the separate DH rules. I like the pros and cons of both, and I like having the option

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #179 on: September 29, 2020, 11:34:15 PM »
Shane Bieber picked a bad time to not be the best pitcher in baseball

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #180 on: September 30, 2020, 12:28:59 AM »
I can't get my head around a franchise losing 17 consecutive playoff games.  Stunning.

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Re: 2020 MLB Thread
« Reply #181 on: September 30, 2020, 10:50:00 AM »
like the Dallas Cowboys?
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