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Topic: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »
also: they need to get Giles Jackson way more involved in the offense in 2020. Jackson is a 5'9", 185ish pound speed merchant with moves ontop of moves- and we all saw his true frosh year last year on special teams and in very limited offensive reps. Nico Collins and Ronnie Bell are a really good 1-2 punch at WR. Jackson however is the kind of guy that can make things happen in space.

Chris Evans coming back at RB is huge too. His ability to catch the ball and play in space is something none of the other RB's at Michigan have. Evans brings experience and pass-catching and versatility to the RB position.

This offense will still have some weapons now. Even with DPJ graduating and Tarik Black transferring. Black was hurt every year and barely played last year, so not sure he's as big of a loss as say DPJ- who actually played a lot and produced the last couple years.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #99 on: May 04, 2020, 02:07:30 PM »
ya Jackson is elusive watched him in some of Ms games he looked all that
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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #100 on: May 04, 2020, 02:31:04 PM »
ya Jackson is elusive watched him in some of Ms games he looked all that
He played mostly RB in HS. From Northern Cali. Track kid in HS too. He ran 4.39-40 at Nike combines and set the all-time record there for fastest shuttle time with a 3.85. Speed merchant for sure. Michigan needs more guys like this that can take the top off a defense and hit a home-run. Part of the reason why I wanted them to play Ambry Thomas at WR instead of CB his freshman year- that's another dude with elite speed and quickness. They brought in two freshman receivers in the 2020 class that are speed merchants in AJ Henning and Roman Wilson. Henning and Wilson both have elite top-end speed and short area quickness. Henning 4.42-40 and 4.08 shuttle- Wilson 4.37-40 and 3.96 shuttle.

Mike Sainistril is another guy that played some as a true frosh at WR- he's really quick and has the short area quickness you look for but maybe not the top end speed. Need to start getting more guys with both.

DPJ had the straight-line speed but maybe not the short area quickness. He was more of a Braylon Edwards type imo. Elite leaper with really good size/strength and great straight-line speed. That is who I was hoping DPJ would turn into. Never materialized.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #101 on: May 04, 2020, 02:43:28 PM »
ya Jackson is elusive watched him in some of Ms games he looked all that
I really like Evans.  You really need breakaway speed at the tailback position these days, and Charbonnet doesn't have that.  Evans is really shifty and can make guy miss. 

I think Michigan linebacker play last year was average to above average, but you could see improvement from game to game.  I think they will be very good in 2020, especially that McGrone dude. 

There's a lot of love for Ambry Thomas, but he's a bit overrated, IMO.  He will need to step up his game to be even a second team All-Big selection.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2020, 03:27:21 PM »
I really like Evans.  You really need breakaway speed at the tailback position these days, and Charbonnet doesn't have that.  Evans is really shifty and can make guy miss. 

I think Michigan linebacker play last year was average to above average, but you could see improvement from game to game.  I think they will be very good in 2020, especially that McGrone dude. 

There's a lot of love for Ambry Thomas, but he's a bit overrated, IMO.  He will need to step up his game to be even a second team All-Big selection.
Charbonnet was dealing with injuries for a big chunk of his freshman year. And he's got more speed than you think. Even with playing through the injuries- he ran for 726 yards and scored 11 TD's as a true frosh while splitting time with Hassan Haskins.

247Sports was on the verge of rating Charbonnet a 5* before injuries caused him to miss the HS All-Star season- which is where the final rankings on those 'crootin' sites are done- so instead of rising he just kind of stayed put. Even so, Charbonnet was rated 38th overall in their final rankings, just 5 spots away from the coveted "5 STARZ" status. 247Sports' projected him as a potential 1st round pick- citing his rare combination of size, strength, and speed. If there's one thing that worries me about Charbonnet it's the nagging injuries. He missed the tail end of his HS year and the HS All-Star season because of them- and he was dealing with injuries his entire true frosh year at Michigan.

Evans is very shifty and can make people miss, and his pass catching ability is excellent, but I doubt he's much faster if at all straight-line than Charbonnet. Evans' straight-line speed is good, but isn't exactly elite. Still, I think getting him back will only make Charbonnet better because it will keep Charbonnet more fresh. And it will improve the Michigan offense as a whole.

LB play dipped last year mostly because they were replacing the best LB to ever play at Michigan imo in Devin Bush- because of ineffective DT play (it was horrible to be honest) and they also were down a starter in Josh Ross- his injury in the 2nd game of the season caused him to miss the rest of the entire season. He'll be back in 2020. Cam McGrone burst onto the scene as a RS Frosh and looks like a future high NFL draft pick to me. I like the Ross & McGrone combo- but not sure the LB play improves much if that DT play doesn't take a massive leap forward. DT is a huge weakness on that team. They need Chris Hinton and Mazi Smith to grow up in a hurry- and that's typically not a spot you want to be relying on younger players at.

Not sure where that line on Ambry Thomas is coming from- but it's wrong. Thomas was was by far the best defensive back on Michigan's team last year- and this was despite him missing all of spring and fall after contracting colitis and losing about 30 pounds. He rebounded from that in-time to start day 1 and have a great season. Pro Football Focus has rated Thomas as one of the 10 best players in the entire B1G going into 2020 by the way. They rated him #7 actually.

PFF:  “Thomas lined up in press man on over 81 percent of his coverage snaps, which was the fourth-highest rate in college football, and allowed just a 53.3 passer rating on targets thrown his way in that alignment. Among returning cornerbacks, Thomas is easily one of the top 10 press-man outside corners.”

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2020, 05:11:54 PM »
Yeah, agreed, Hill was vastly overrated.  Thomas was the linchpin back there.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2020, 06:11:39 PM »
Yeah, agreed, Hill was vastly overrated.  Thomas was the linchpin back there.
Hill had an awful senior season. He went from being a potential 3rd-4th rd pick as a junior to going undrafted because his senior year was so bad. He most definitely regressed. All anyone has to do is watch the clips from the OSU/Bama games. Basically all of the big passing plays were either on LaVert Hill or Josh Metellus. Thomas was playing at such a high level that teams were actually picking on LaVert Hill.

Hill didn't help himself at the combine when he didn't run a 40 and measured 5'10" - an inch shorter than his listed 5'11" - and only had 30 1/8" long arms. 5'10" CBs with short arms have a struggle to get drafted. Jourdan Lewis was also only 5'10"- but he had much longer arms and he was a significantly better player than LaVert- which is why he got drafted in the 3rd rd. Shoot if those domestic assault charges weren't hanging over Jourdan Lewis' head he might've gone late 1st or early 2nd rd. The domestic issue hanging over his head and a slower than expected 4.54-40 time caused him to slip to the 3rd.

Thomas is taller/longer and faster/quicker than Hill. AT will be an NFL draft pick. Depending on how much he develops this year and what he times that 40 in at the NFL combine- could wind up being a high draft pick. He's a legit 6-foot-ish- should measure right around there, don't know how long his arms are but he's a lanky looking dude and my guess is they are a lot longer than LH's. And the 40 time isn't even in question. He's a lot faster than LaVert Hill. I'd be absolutely shocked if Ambry isn't high 4.3's or low 4.4's at the NFL combine. Absolutely shocked.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2020, 08:59:57 PM »
 Pro Football Focus has rated Thomas as one of the 10 best players in the entire B1G going into 2020 by the way. They rated him #7 actually.

PFF:  “Thomas lined up in press man on over 81 percent of his coverage snaps, which was the fourth-highest rate in college football, and allowed just a 53.3 passer rating on targets thrown his way in that alignment. Among returning cornerbacks, Thomas is easily one of the top 10 press-man outside corners.”
Nice write up does he still return kicks,I remember he went yard vs ND
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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2020, 09:04:23 PM »
Maybe Thomas is better than I think.  I kinda figured him as a second team All-Big talent, but not a first team or All-American.  

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2020, 10:06:53 PM »
Nice write up does he still return kicks,I remember he went yard vs ND
Thomas was focused on defense only full-time for the first time in his career last year. They had true frosh WR Giles Jackson returning kickoffs and WR's DPJ & Ronnie Bell returning punts.

Thomas didn't get in on the return action last year or get reps at WR on offense like he did in 2017 & 2018- and his game on defense went to another level. I think that's the right move for him. Just let him focus on CB and CB only.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2020, 10:14:58 PM »
Maybe Thomas is better than I think.  I kinda figured him as a second team All-Big talent, but not a first team or All-American. 
Thomas was 2nd team All-B1G on Pro Football Focus' All-B1G teams last year. 1st team CB's were Jeff Okudah from Ohio State and Michael Ojemudia from Iowa.

Thomas' game made a quantum leap from 2018 to 2019. He's got room to make another leap. Definitely has ton of talent in terms of speed and quickness, and nice height/length at a legit 6-foot-ish. Needs to put on some muscle though as he's only 180ish pounds.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2020, 11:19:46 PM »
so...defense probably looking like this...

DE: Aidan Hutchinson, Jr.
DE: Kwity Paye, Sr.
DT: Carlo Kemp, RS Sr.
DT: Chris Hinton, Soph. 
WLB: Josh Ross, RS Jr.
ILB: Cam McGrone, RS Soph.
VIPER: Michael Barrett, RS Soph. or Anthony Solomon, Soph.
SAM OLB/DE: No idea here. Not one OLB pass rush specialist like Uche on the roster. Might just have to blitz more or rotate DE's more to generate more pass rush.
CB: Ambry Thomas, Sr.
CB: Vincent Gray, RS Soph.
NB: Could be one of about 10 players. No idea yet.
S: Daxton Hill, Soph.
S: Brad Hawkins, Sr.

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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #110 on: May 05, 2020, 09:14:56 AM »
Thomas was focused on defense only full-time for the first time in his career last year. They had true frosh WR Giles Jackson returning kickoffs and WR's DPJ & Ronnie Bell returning punts.
Ya with Jackson back no reason to side track Thomas.
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Re: 2020 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #111 on: May 05, 2020, 10:21:48 AM »
So, it seems Michigan has a tough schedule and a wide range of possible season outcomes, is that fair?

 

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