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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #154 on: June 06, 2019, 04:37:49 PM »
Imagine then some really good player gets only one offer to say Temple because his dad went there and he's always wanted to go there and everyone knows it.  He gets lost unless he's a skill player who can put up big stats.  He might be a great OL but get overlooked.


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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #155 on: June 06, 2019, 04:54:32 PM »
There's no doubt that real gems are still missed sometimes. And we're getting at the most likely mechanism should the recruiting services miss the next Charles Woodson -- because the best P5 coaches missed him first.

Of course, I'd also bet that these coaches miss fewer players today than ever. The continuous rise of the internet means that it's never been harder to hide an elite recruit than it is this year,.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #156 on: June 06, 2019, 04:57:17 PM »
Of course, I'd also bet that these coaches miss fewer players today than ever. The continuous rise of the internet means that it's never been harder to hide an elite recruit than it is this year,.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #157 on: June 07, 2019, 12:55:43 AM »
There's no doubt that real gems are still missed sometimes. And we're getting at the most likely mechanism should the recruiting services miss the next Charles Woodson -- because the best P5 coaches missed him first.

Of course, I'd also bet that these coaches miss fewer players today than ever. The continuous rise of the internet means that it's never been harder to hide an elite recruit than it is this year,.
I think this is right, and I think it's interesting how we've come to a point where we understand the system and have so much information that when a guy gets missed, we pretty much understand. And what's very interesting is we have a good grasp of understanding why someone might get missed and a less good one about why someone busts out.

I'd bet the vast, vast majority of missed guys happen for one of these reasons
-Player making a position change who didn't attend many camps
-Injury limited HS exposure and scared some teams
-Highly developmental guy (i.e. 250 pound TE who becomes a OT, 220-pound DE who adds 45 pounds on a real weight program)
-Abnormally small
-Late bloomer physically
-Did something stupid in high school/Grades

I feel like most recruiting misses are somewhere in there, give or take some random, "wow, that guy was just better in college than could reasonably be expected." (I recall us having a discussion of App State in that vein)

Busts are trickier. The easy categories:
-Kid is a shit in som way
-Developmental player with hype doesn't develop
-Injury
-Stifling one's own development with lack of opportunity (four-star QB who joins roster with five four-stars)
-Caught in coaching/system change

But beyond that, there's just so many guys who just don't make the college transition well. I feel like Michigan's OL and RB issues fit here maybe? Is there more of a reason I'm missing?

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #158 on: June 07, 2019, 08:28:35 AM »
UGA signed a guy for LB last year who only played football one year in HS.  He had played BBall, and decided to go out for football and found he was good at it and gained weight with his maturing process.  That sort of player can be a diamond in the rough.

How do teams put out so many offers?  I presume the answer is they are contingent, and if the team gets the 5 star running back they want, they pull the offer from the other guys.  I don't completely understand this recruiting thing.

I always think about Terry Hoage from 1980 who was overlooked by nearly everyone but Dooley liked him because he had really good grades.  He majored in genetics and had a 3.9 GPA or something and runs a winery now in CA, and turned into a pretty good football player.

https://www.cawineclub.com/Terry-Hoage-Vineyards_FW131.html

This guy would have been a 1 or 2 star, but of course back then few paid much attention to recruiting.  There was another guy signed that year with him who was a big recruiting story.


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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #159 on: June 07, 2019, 08:29:32 AM »
Anyway, my overall take is that my coaches know more about this than I do, I hope, and they better take care of it because I can't.  Speculating on who else might sign where seems pointless to me.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #160 on: June 07, 2019, 10:30:02 AM »
Lots of big OV's in the next 3 weekends for UW. I expect them to land a few fish in the process.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #161 on: June 07, 2019, 10:40:53 AM »
Wisconsin seems to do really well with a bunch of guys with negative stars.

It's remarkable really.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #162 on: June 07, 2019, 10:47:36 AM »
Yeah, but they need to be able to beat ________ State or Michigan in the CCG. That is a must.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #163 on: June 07, 2019, 12:13:30 PM »
Nah. Bama has 250 offers out. Michigan has 350. Nebraska has 400.

Not all offers are real offers.
true, they are offers in the sense that they might find a mutual liking, similar to dating

I'm sure every program has more than 25-30 offers out to kids, but they can only sign 25-30 at most
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #164 on: June 07, 2019, 12:19:18 PM »
So, I send offers to say 5-8 running backs hoping to sign 2, and when 2 commit, I pull the others?  Then if the commits flip ...?

I guess they have backup plans.  

Could get complicated.

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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #165 on: June 07, 2019, 12:20:13 PM »
For sure. UW has 140 out, but many of those are offers to kids they know they are not getting (the STARZ kids). I suspect they only have about 30-40 real offers out at this time, given they have/had no chance with the other 100. But, even then, you have to offer even if you know there is no chance. If you don't, you appear as giving up.


Northwestern has 59 offers out.
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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #166 on: June 07, 2019, 12:26:04 PM »
UGA is trying to do a Wisconsin it seems.  The OL averages 330.  They like to run the ball.  The QB is decent.  Deandre Swift at RB is pretty good.  They really need to get'er done this year.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-Isaiah-Wilson-offensive-line-132650168/?fbclid=IwAR36PRLiueiFcwY9QxcyFYQp5XhsPgErpt0cib9oy8GfIBmoZpeQgTLYcBg


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Re: 2020 deathly serious recruiting discourse thread
« Reply #167 on: June 07, 2019, 12:27:20 PM »
So, I send offers to say 5-8 running backs hoping to sign 2, and when 2 commit, I pull the others?  Then if the commits flip ...?

I guess they have backup plans. 

Could get complicated.
it's complicated for sure

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