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medinabuckeye1 · « **on:** April 27, 2021, 11:36:23 AM »

B1G States in the 2020 Census:

#5 Pennsylvania, 13.0M, up 309k or 2.4%. PA passed IL since 2010.
#6 Illinois, 12.8M, down 8k or 0.06%. Passed by PA since 2010.
#7 Ohio, 11.8M, up 272k or 2.4%. No change, Ohio has been #7 since being passed by Florida in the 1990 census.
#10 Michigan, 10.1M, up 201k or 2.0%. Passed by GA and NC since 2010.
#11 New Jersey, 9.3M, up 503k or 5.7%. No change, New Jersey has been #11 since being passed by GA and NC in the 2010 census.
#17 Indiana, 6.8M, up 306k or 4.7%. IN was passed by TN and AZ since 2010.
#18 Maryland, 6.2M, up 412k or 7.1%. MD passed MO since 2010.
#20 Wisconsin, 5.9M, up 210k or 3.7%. No change, Wisconsin has been #20 since being passed by AZ and MD in the 2010 census.
#22 Minnesota, 5.7M, up 406k or 7.7%. Passed by CO since 2010.
#31 Iowa, 3.2M, up 146k or 4.8%. Passed by UT since 2010.
#37 Nebraska, 2.0M, up 137k or 7.5%. Passed WV since 2010.

Population of the US as a whole grew by 7.2% so in the B1G only MN and NE are growing faster than the country. Maryland is roughly equal to the country as a whole and the rest of the B1G States are losing population relative to the country as a whole.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:37:44 AM »

This of course is not a new trend. Georgia will pass Ohio in population at some point.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:40:56 AM »

Florida being more populous than New York is astounding to me. When I first visited Florida as a boy in the 1970's Ohio was still more populous than Florida and New York had nearly twice Florida's population.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:43:05 AM »

U.S. States comparison: Ohio vs Georgia Population 2021 | countryeconomy.com

The link above is kind of handy. Georgia had higher GDP per pop than Ohio which I would not have guessed.

10.6 million vs 11.7 million in 2019, probably hit even by 2030.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:43:52 AM »

FL flew by NY, by 2 million people, or 10%, into 3rd.
GA and NC will pass OH by 2040.
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FL still has basically exponential growth potential for the foreseeable future, too, as the gulf coast is largely empty. FL has doubled in the past 25 years and the longer of its two coasts hasn't been built up yet.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:44:28 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 27, 2021, 11:37:44 AM

This of course is not a new trend. Georgia will pass Ohio in population at some point.

True and that too is a humongous change in a generation or two. When my dad visited his relatives in Atlanta in the 1940's Atlanta was less populous than Akron and Georgia's population was well under half of Ohio's.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:48:34 AM »

There's a fun sporcle on top 10 US cities by population by decade going back into the 1800s. There are some now-obscure midwestern cities back in the day that made the list.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:53:52 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2021, 11:43:52 AM

GA and NC will pass OH by 2040.

I was looking at that to project when it will happen. Using the 2010-2020 growth (raw not %):

#7 Ohio, 11.809M, grew by 0.272M, projects to 12.081 in 2030 and 12.353 in 2040.
#8 Georgia, 10.725M, grew by 1.038M, projects to 11.763M in 2030 and 12.801 in 2040.
#9 North Carolina, 10.454M, grew by 0.918M, projects to 11.372M in 2030 and 12.290M in 2040.

Georgia will almost certainly pass Ohio during the 2030's but it could be very close between Ohio and North Carolina for #8 in the 2040 census.

MarqHusker · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:59:42 AM »

Chicago going to get caught by Houston any day now.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2021, 12:17:27 PM »

The census is all jacked up because of covid. A lot of people are moving out of cities into low density areas if they have the ability to work from home, or for a myriad of other reasons.

I definitely didn't get counted this time around.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2021, 12:23:13 PM »

And again, CA is not like IL or NY... That "shithole" of a "failed state" grew by a percentage basis faster than all Big Ten states except MD, MN, and NE, and equal to NJ. Given its population, it's probably grown on an actual total population basis by more than all 4 of those states combined.

As it relates to the B1G, this is why Purdue and Indiana are doomed demographically. We're in a basketball-crazed state with 3 P5-level football programs (one helmet, obv not PU/IU) and only 6.8M people, and immediately surrounded by two helmets is UM and OSU. Trying to keep the top recruits in-state and not at Notre Dame is difficult, and there just aren't enough to go around.

Illinois is a bigger state, with only two P5 programs. Despite negative population growth, they're fine. They also have an additional geographic barrier of several hundred miles from UM/OSU.
Wisconsin is a smaller state, but with only one P5 program and additional geographic barrier from the helmets. So they're fine. Same with Minnesota, who can also draw from the Dakotas which have zero P5 programs.
Iowa is in trouble. Small state, two P5 programs, and with Nebraska still having some helmet appeal on their border.
Nebraska is potentially in trouble. Tiny state, and while they're the only P5 program, it's just not a lot of people. They MUST be able to recruit nationally in order to keep relevant. They're still a helmet, but for how long if they don't start winning the B1G West consistently?

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2021, 12:36:38 PM »

Ohio's population rank history:

#13 in the 1810 census with 231k
#5 in the 1820 census with 581k. Passed KY, MA, SC, TN, MD, GA, NJ, CT.
#4 in the 1830 census with 938k. Passed NC. This is ironic since now it looks like NC will pass back ahead of Ohio about 200 years after being passed by Ohio.
#3 in the 1840 census with 1.5M. Passed VA. This is ironic same as NC above.
#3 in the 1850 census with 2.0M.
#3 in the 1860 census with 2.3M.
#3 in the 1870 census with 2.7M.
#3 in the 1880 census with 3.2M.
#4 in the 1890 census with 3.7M. Passed by IL.
#4 in the 1900 census with 4.2M.
#4 in the 1910 census with 4.8M.
#4 in the 1920 census with 5.8M.
#4 in the 1930 census with 6.6M.
#4 in the 1940 census with 6.9M. California was #5 with 225 less people than Ohio. Between the 1930 and 1940 census CA grew by about 337 people per day while OH grew by about 71 people per day. Assuming that everything was exactly correct, Ohio had 225 more people than California on April 1, 1940 and California passed Ohio on April 2, 1940.
#5 in the 1950 census with 7.9M. Passed by CA.
#5 in the 1960 census with 9.7M.
#6 in the 1970 census with 10.7M. Passed by TX.
#6 in the 1980 census with 10.8M.
#7 in the 1990 census with 10.8M. Passed by FL.
#7 in the 2000 census with 11.4M.
#7 in the 2010 census with 11.5M.
#7 in the 2020 census with 11.8M.

In the 1840 census Ohio passed Virginia to move to #3 behind #1 NY and #2 PA. Ohio hasn't passed a state since.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2021, 02:43:11 PM »

here, good luck
https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/historicaluscitypops

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2021, 03:07:39 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2021, 02:43:11 PM

here, good luck
https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/historicaluscitypops

Fun quiz, I got 73% which is apparently better than the 68% average. I missed:

Northern Liberties, PA. WTF? This was #6 in 1800. I had to Google it, it was adjacent to Philly and absorbed by Philly in 1854.
Southwark, PA. Another former Philly suburb, absorbed in 1854.
Salem, MA. I should have guessed this one but since the population is only about 40k today I don't think of it as a major city.
Providence, RI. I meant to guess this and thought that I did, but oops.
Norfolk, VA. I was trying to think of a large Virginia city. I guessed Richmond.
Brooklyn, NY. I completely forgot that the five Burroughs of NY used to be separate cities. Oops.
Spring Garden, PA. Another former Philly suburb.
Albany, NY. I really should have gotten this one because the impact of the Erie Canal on the economy and settlement of the Midwestern US is an historical interest of mine. Oops.
Buffalo, NY. See above.
Detroit, MI. I was thinking old and didn't recognize that this list went up to 1950, Oops.
Washington, DC. See above.

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