2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[Brutus Buckeye]

[Kris60]

Heh I went to Miami when Wally was there. My favorite memory was when he came back to Miami (while he was in the NBA) to work out at the rec center and they wouldn't let him in because he wasn't a student.

You gotta be kidding.

[MaximumSam]

You gotta be kidding.

LOL I'm not - I worked in the food court so I was watching him get more and more exacerbated.  He was easily the most famous Miami athlete at the time and here was this lady giving him shit. Actually, the problem might have been he didn't have his ID, which is also funny because everyone in the building knew who he was.

[Kris60]

That’s a great story.  It would be even better if his name was on a building somewhere, albeit on a sign about a mile long.

[Brutus Buckeye]

Alabama is beating Maryland.... in Basketball? 

[ELA]

The only decent game today was Michigan-LSU?

Bummer

[OrangeAfroMan]

Wow, USC basically doubling KU at the half.

[medinabuckeye1]

How many upsets were there compared to normal?

• There are three #1 seeds in the S16, the average was 3.43.
• There are two #2 seeds in the S16, the average was 2.54.
• There is one #3 seed in the S16, the average was 2.11.
• There is one #4 seed in the S16, the average was 1.89.
• There are two #5 seeds in the S16, the average was 1.34.
• There is one #6 seed in the S16, the average was 1.2.
• There is one #7 seed in the S16, the average was 0.77.
• There is one #8 seed in the S16, the average was 0.37.
• There are no #9 seeds in the S16, the average was 0.2.
• There are no #10 seeds in the S16, the average was 0.65.
• There are two #11 seeds in the S16, the average was 0.63.
• There is one #12 seed in the S16, the average was 0.6.
• There are no #13 seeds in the S16, the average was 0.17.
• There are no #14 seeds in the S16, the average was 0.06.
• There is one #15 seed in the S16, the average was 0.03.
• There are no #16 seeds in the S16 and there never have been.

In total, about three top-4 seeds are missing, there are about 2.5 extra #11's and below, and there is about 0.5 extra #5-#10 seeds.

[medinabuckeye1]

The 2020 cancelation had an interesting impact on some of the longer current consecutive NCAA appearance streaks.

Longest current consecutive NCAA appearance streaks:

• 31, Kansas, 1990-present.
• 23, Michigan State, 1998-present.
• 22, Gonzaga, 1999-present.
• 10, North Carolina, 2011-present.
• 8 Villanova, 2013-present.
• 7 Virginia, 2014-present.
• 6 Purdue, 2015-present.
• 5 Iona, 2016-present.
• 5 Michigan, 2016-present.

Had there been a 2020 NCAA Tournament Kansas, Michigan State, Gonzaga, Villanova, Virginia, and Michigan would easily have made the field. Had there been a 2020 Tournament their streaks would all be longer by one. That leaves UNC, Purdue, and Iona.

North Carolina:
The Tar Heels were knocked out of the 2020 ACC Tournament by losing to Syracuse. That loss dropped them to 14-19 so they had zero chance at a 2020 bid and, had there been a 2020 Tournament, their streak would have ended at 9.

Iona:
The Gaels were knocked out of the 2020 MAAC Tournament by losing to St Peters. That loss dropped them to 12-17 so they had zero chance at a 2020 bid and, had there been a 2020 Tournament, their streak would have ended at 4.

Purdue:
The Boilermakers finished the 2019/2020 Regular Season at 16-15 and never played a BTT game due to cancelation. They could have made it with a solid run in the BTT, but it was far from guaranteed.

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Purdue:
The Boilermakers finished the 2019/2020 Regular Season at 16-15 and never played a BTT game due to cancelation. They could have made it with a solid run in the BTT, but it was far from guaranteed.

[medinabuckeye1]

It's simple.

Purdue is one of the elite teams in college basketball. Not exactly blue blood status, but a team that for the last 40 years (Gene Keady + Matt Painter) has always been seen as say a top 25 program.

Purdue hasn't been to the Final Four since 1980, the year before Keady took over. Big Dog getting hurt wrestling with a teammate between the S16 and E8 games, and not looking the same. 2000 running into Wisconsin for the 4th time that season. 2010 Hummel tearing his ACL against Minnesota when Purdue looked like a lock for a 1 seed. 2011 Hummel tearing his ACL again right before the season on what was supposed to be Purdue's revenge tour. 2018 Purdue coming in as a 2 seed and having Haas break his elbow in the R64. 2019 Purdue leading the eventual NC Virginia Cavaliers as the clock ticked 00:00 in the E8 game--but they had a miracle shot in the air and made it after the buzzer to tie.

The reason that Purdue is considered sub-par in the tournament is that any program with that history SHOULD have gone to a F4 in the last 40 years... And we haven't.

You bring up the last 6 tournaments, where we've performed roughly to seed. Maybe a tiny bit below seed, but certainly not overperformed our seed.

Here's a list of some of the teams that have made a F4 in those 6 tournaments:

• #7 seed MSU (2015)
• #10 seed Syracuse (2016)
• #7 seed USCe (2017)
• #11 seed Loyola-Chicago (2018)
• #5 seed Auburn (2019)

In 40 years Purdue has squandered high seeds and never had that great low-seed run, to make the F4.

Can't we just have nice things ONE year?

I went back to the beginning of the Keady era and, per wiki assuming I grabbed it right, since then Purdue has had:

• 3 #1 seeds
• 3 #2 seeds
• 5 #3 seeds
• 3 #4 seeds
• 3 #5 seeds
• 5 #6 seeds
• 1 #7 seed
• 1 #8 seed
• 4 #9 seeds
• 2 #10 seeds

Based on past history by those seeds, that "should" have produced:

• 21.32 R32's, actual 22
• 11.78 S16's, actual 10
• 6.06 E8's, actual 3
• 3 F4's, actual 0
• 1.58 NC games, actual 0
• 0.78 NC's, actual 0

My counts could be off slightly, I'm trying to read from a long text table.

I think this puts it in perspective and we are ultimately only talking about a few bounces here and there:

• Purdue has very slightly overperformed in R64 games even with this year's loss.
• Purdue is only down 1.78 S16 appearances from what we would expect, not a big difference.
• Purdue has less than half the number of E8's that we would expect but it is 3 vs ~6 so only a deficit of ~3.
• Purdue is short three F4's. A few bounces here or there . . .
• Purdue is short 1.58 NC Games, a few bounces . . .
• Purdue is short <1 NC.

[TyphonInc]

Wrong damn OSU is playing right now.

[MaximumSam]

A decided lack of barn burning in this game

[MaximumSam]

Ongoing rant - Loyola missed a wide open 3. Announcer says that's not a great shot even though it was open and the shooter is good at 3s. What?