2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[Abba]

Indiana, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame would be my order.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Indiana, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame would be my order.

Agreed 100%. 

[Brutus Buckeye]

Indiana, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame would be my order.

[bayareabadger]

Indiana, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame would be my order.

Butler over ND? In what sense?

[betarhoalphadelta]

Butler over ND? In what sense?

ND is a football school. It's also in South Bend, not Indianapolis. Nobody there even cares about basketball very much, so why should Indy fans care?

Butler is a basketball school, in Indy. It's got the scrappy underdog vibe, which makes sense to anyone who has watched the movie "Hoosiers" and laments that Indiana HS basketball went to a class-based championship so "the small school can't win it all".

Notre Dame is very popular amongst people in Indiana who didn't attend college. They root for Notre Dame [football] in the fall, but they root for IU [basketball] in the winter. The only people who care about Notre Dame basketball are alums... And it's not a big enrollment.

[MaximumSam]

Certainly feels like Butler has been a lot stronger in recent history

[jhetfield99]

FWIW, for a Purdue/Ohio State tournament match-up here is what would have to happen first:
#4 Purdue:

• Beat #13 North Texas
• Beat the 5/12 Villanova/Winthrop winner
• Beat 1/8/9/16 Baylor/UNC/UW/Hartford

#2 Ohio State:

• Beat #15 Oral Roberts
• Beat #7/10 Florida/VaTech
• Beat 3/6/11/14 Arkansas/TxTech/UtahSt/Colgate

I sure would love the hell out of it if the E8 ends up round 4 of Purdue-OSU.  All 3 were good games that came down to the final possessions of regulation.

[bayareabadger]

ND is a football school. It's also in South Bend, not Indianapolis. Nobody there even cares about basketball very much, so why should Indy fans care?

Butler is a basketball school, in Indy. It's got the scrappy underdog vibe, which makes sense to anyone who has watched the movie "Hoosiers" and laments that Indiana HS basketball went to a class-based championship so "the small school can't win it all".

Notre Dame is very popular amongst people in Indiana who didn't attend college. They root for Notre Dame [football] in the fall, but they root for IU [basketball] in the winter. The only people who care about Notre Dame basketball are alums... And it's not a big enrollment.

So they're third in terms of general attention/feeling/goodwill? 

I ask because back when I lived in the state, I still always got the sense that a mid-major was not going to get much attention just because of what it was. On the one hand, you ask why should Indy fans care about ND? But do they care all that much about Butler? Or do just Butler people care, and Indy people only care when they do something crazy and there's a bandwagon to get on? I suppose ND is probably in the same boat, give or take better name recognition.

(I also wasn't sure if you meant as a coaching job, which is itself another interesting question)

[bayareabadger]

Certainly feels like Butler has been a lot stronger in recent history

Notre Dame had a long run where it could hold its own, and it's recent drop off started a bit before Butler's. Butler was on average a bit stronger, and the title game trips are big, but Brey carved out a pretty strong run for while. Granted, it was less interesting for a range of reasons. 

[jhetfield99]

There's a decent amount of Butler fans in Indy, but after IU, in terms of volume, Purdue is easiliy next both in central IN and statewide for hoops fans.

[Brutus Buckeye]

I don't know that Butler still counts as a mid major, now that they are in the Big East. They also finished tenth out of eleven teams this year, which I didn't know but just looked up.

Notre Dame of course big timed the Big East for the ACC, which is an even better basketball conference. Obviously that wasn't a football inspired move.

So considering all of that it is surprising that Butler would have a leg up on the Domers in helmetiness.

[LetsGoPeay]

What's the Indiana pecking order, from top to bottom? If Indiana is 1, who is 2? Purdue or Notre Dame?

How does the mid major scrap heap shake out? Is Indiana State the tallest midget, for having once had Larry Bird? Ball State? Iupui? Iupufw? One of the others?

IU, Purdue, Butler, ND

Mid majors: Ball State, Indiana State, Valpo, IUPUI, Evansville. Fort Wayne is a distant last. Most people forget there's even a school there. I'm thinking purely in terms of yearly strength of program and tradition. In fact, I'd argue that Indiana Wesleyan is more well known and followed than Fort Wayne and probably for good reason. They're an elite NAIA basketball school. Don't be surprised if they make a move to NCAA D2 or even D1 in the next 10 years. They just added football and they have really taken advantage of the adult online education trend. I have a masters and my principals licensure from there and I just finished their superintendents licensure program. 

[847badgerfan]

Indiana, Purdue, Butler, Notre Dame would be my order.

Mine too.

[ELA]

I wonder if it's different now that Butler has had much more high level success, but during my year at Indiana, there were a lot of legitimate IU/Butler or PU/Butler fans.

They existed in totally different realms, so it wasn't an issue.  There were 100% IU fans in my dorm...who also owned and wore Butler gear.  Butler played Detroit that year in a MidCon tourney game, and it was a hell of a good time.  That was post Mike Miller buzzer beater, and in 2001 they won a 7-10 game before getting smacked by Zona, so they were a "threat" yet.  I wonder if there is less of that now that they've had more major success