2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[NickSmith4Three]

Archie Miller gone...no surprise

[Brutus Buckeye]

[LetsGoPeay]

Archie Miller gone...no surprise

Throw a blank check at Brad Stevens. When he says no, do the same for Chris Beard. 

[NickSmith4Three]

Little Pitino out too

[betarhoalphadelta]

Throw a blank check at Brad Stevens. When he says no, do the same for Chris Beard.

Beard is the one I *don't* want to see at IU, because I think he's a hell of a coach. And his style of play is a thorn in Purdue's side.

Scuttlebutt is that he's divorced and his ex and their daughters live in the TTech area, and aren't interested in moving. It may mean he's not going to leave TTech until the kids are older. 

I realize it's hard to turn down a "blue blood", but he has no personal ties to IU that I'm aware of, he's making PLENTY of money and is loved at TTech, and he is a UT alum. 

The only reason to go to IU is because it's a blue blood. There are handfuls of reasons for his career, family, bank account, personal history, etc to remain at TTech. 

Why give up a massive salary at TTech where he's successful and loved and calls it home, to be potentially the next failure in a 20 year list of failures at IU since Bobby Knight?

[grillrat]

"I realize it's hard to turn down a former 'blue blood' "

FIFY  

[Brutus Buckeye]

A HC going from Texas Tech to Indiana? The Knight inversion?

[medinabuckeye1]

Why give up a massive salary at TTech where he's successful and loved and calls it home, to be potentially the next failure in a 20 year list of failures at IU since Bobby Knight?

"I realize it's hard to turn down a former 'blue blood' "

FIFY 

LoL, Rivalry, love it!

In all seriousness though, could we all set aside and IU homerism/haterism for a minute and try to look at that program objectively?

What are they today? Can they get back to Knight's glory days when IU was in the small handful of BB Royalty? What should the standard be for an IU coach?

In Knight's 30 years in Bloomington the Hoosiers won three NC's, 11 league titles, and had 24 NCAA tournament appearances (Note that this is more impressive than it sounds because half of Knight's tenure was before the tournament expanded to 64).
Since then:
Mike Davis, 7 years, 2000-2006:
1 league title
4 NCAA appearances

Kelvin Sampson, 2 years, 2006-2008:
0 league titles
1 NCAA appearance

Dan Dakich (interim)

Tom Crean, 9 years, 2008-2017:
2 league titles
4 NCAA appearances

Archie Miller, 4 years, 2017-2021:
0 league titles
0 NCAA appearances

The Purdue fans do have a point. In the 21 years since Knight's firing the Hoosiers have three league titles (one every seven years) and nine NCAA appearances (roughly every other year). Both of those are WAY off from Knight's pace of roughly four NCAA appearances every five years (including before expansion) and a league title roughly every three years.

Was Knight simply lightning in a bottle or can Indiana get back to (or at least close to) those heights?

[betarhoalphadelta]

Reports that Purdue assistant Micah Shrewsberry will be the next HC at Penn State.

This isn't a shock to Purdue fans. When Shrewsberry came from his assistant job with the Celtics under Brad Stevens [he'd previously been an assistant at Butler] it was largely seen as a 1-2 year "rental" for Shrewsberry to re-acclimate to the college game and then find a head coaching gig.


Good for him... I wish him success. I just limit the ceiling on those wishes for 2nd place finishes in the B1G--right behind #1 Purdue lol. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

In all seriousness though, could we all set aside and IU homerism/haterism for a minute and try to look at that program objectively?

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The Purdue fans do have a point. In the 21 years since Knight's firing the Hoosiers have three league titles (one every seven years) and nine NCAA appearances (roughly every other year). Both of those are WAY off from Knight's pace of roughly four NCAA appearances every five years (including before expansion) and a league title roughly every three years.

Was Knight simply lightning in a bottle or can Indiana get back to (or at least close to) those heights?

Go back the last 5 years (2016-2020). IU has out-recruited Purdue every single one. IU has been probably the top consistent recruiter in the B1G--they haven't been #1, but they've been right in that 2-3 range in conference pretty much every one of those years. 

Indiana is a basketball state, with a lot of talent and development at the HS level. Indiana is still the biggest name in the state, despite doing very little since Mike Davis had a good run with Knight's recruits. 

If this is what they do when they're middling, can you imagine what they can do if they have a coach who can actually get the most out of those recruits? 

That's the helmet / blue blood effect. When you still recruit far beyond your on-court success, you're just one good coach away from actually putting it all together. Granted they're in the best conference in college basketball, so there are a lot of speed bumps in the way of that success. Purdue has a "lifer" at HC who is really starting to come into his own and starting to recruit commensurate with the team's success. Juwan Howard looks to be legit. Chris Holtmann is a great coach. Illinois is great. 

But recruiting is key, and IU is still enough of a name there to recruit far above their on-court success. If you pair on-court success, they could even move UP in recruiting. 

If IU gets the right coach, I think you start looking at 1A / 1B being MSU and IU, and who knows how many years Izzo has left in him? 

That's why I don't want them to get the right coach! 

[medinabuckeye1]

Good point @betarhoalphadelta .

Recruiting success without the performance to justify is a strong indicator that they are still a "name" program even if not at the level they once were.

247 recruiting rankings w/in B1G:

• 2020: #2 behind M
• 2019: #6 behind tOSU, MSU, UMD, MN, UNL
• 2018: #2 behind UMD
• 2017: #3 behind tOSU, IL
• 2016: #3 behind MSU, UMD
• 2015: #5 behind tOSU, IL, MSU, UNL
• 2014: #3 behind tOSU, UMD
• 2013: #1
• 2012: #1
• 2011: #6 behind tOSU, IL, RU, MSU, M

That obviously should translate to better results. 

[MaximumSam]

Thank god Kelvin Sampson couldn't stay off the telephone

[LetsGoPeay]

Reports that Purdue assistant Micah Shrewsberry will be the next HC at Penn State.

This isn't a shock to Purdue fans. When Shrewsberry came from his assistant job with the Celtics under Brad Stevens [he'd previously been an assistant at Butler] it was largely seen as a 1-2 year "rental" for Shrewsberry to re-acclimate to the college game and then find a head coaching gig.


Good for him... I wish him success. I just limit the ceiling on those wishes for 2nd place finishes in the B1G--right behind #1 Purdue lol.

His kid is a really nice player. He's just a sophomore. It will be interesting to see if he wants to play for dad at Penn State or go somewhere else. He's a high major player for sure. 

[Brutus Buckeye]

What's the Indiana pecking order, from top to bottom? If Indiana is 1, who is 2? Purdue or Notre Dame? 

How does the mid major scrap heap shake out? Is Indiana State the tallest midget, for having once had Larry Bird? Ball State? Iupui? Iupufw? One of the others?