2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[MaximumSam]

B1G is rough guys. Bucks hit some cold shooting and that ain't going to cut it.

[ELA]

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He's off Twitter after making some sexist comments on his radio show on Friday. Apparently they stemmed from him searching his name, yet again, on Twitter. He is filth, and I'm glad that him making money off his hot takes resulted in him getting fired for them

[MaximumSam]

He's off Twitter after making some sexist comments on his radio show on Friday. Apparently they stemmed from him searching his name, yet again, on Twitter. He is filth, and I'm glad that him making money off his hot takes resulted in him getting fired for them

[medinabuckeye1]

Fairly confident of the top five seeds:

• Michigan
• Illinois 
• Iowa
• Purdue 
• Ohio State 

Ohio State will lose on Thursday of the BTT to the 12/13 winner, count on it. 

That will give the #4 seed (probably Purdue because they lose a tie with Iowa) a relatively easy BTT opener. 

[TyphonInc]

Fairly confident of the top five seeds:

• Michigan
• Illinois
• Iowa
• Purdue
• Ohio State

Ohio State will lose on Thursday of the BTT to the 12/13 winner, count on it.

That will give the #4 seed (probably Purdue because they lose a tie with Iowa) a relatively easy BTT opener.

And TTUN can laugh all the way to the title game knowing they were the team to break the Buckeyes.

[Brutus Buckeye]

I liked your theory that he was talking about Ann Arbor. Lmao

[FearlessF]

Nebraska junior guard Teddy Allen announced via a release on Monday morning that he has left the Nebraska basketball program effective immediately.

“I would like to thank Coach Hoiberg and his coaching staff for allowing me to come back to Nebraska and have the opportunity to play basketball in the best conference in the country” Allen said in the release. “I appreciate the support I’ve received from everyone in the program. I am thankful for the love I have received from my teammates and the relationships we have built over the last year. I also want to give a special thank you to the Husker fans for their encouragement and support. 

“After a lot of thought over the last few days, I have made the decision to focus on getting fully healthy in preparation for the next step in my basketball journey. I will continue to stay at Nebraska for the spring semester and work toward graduation. I am looking forward to what the future holds, as I explore my options.”

Allen scored 41 points less than a week ago against Penn State, falling one point short of setting the program record for scoring in a single game. Allen appeared in 22 games for Nebraska this season, totaling eight, 20-point games and averaging 16.5 points and 4.7 rebounds per game.

Allen aggravated a wrist injury in the game against Penn State, and followed up the game against the Nittany Lions with a quiet five-point effort in a loss to Illinois. Allen played just 10 minutes and went scoreless in Nebraska's win over Minnesota on Saturday in Lincoln. After that game, Nebraska head coach Fred Hoiberg said he liked the group he had on the floor, which didn't include Allen.

“That other group that was out there was giving us great minutes and playing with a great rhythm,” Hoiberg said of Allen’s decreased minutes. “It wasn’t anything more than that.”

The departure is the latest move for Allen, who starred for Boys Town in Omaha and signed with West Virginia out of high school. Allen left West Virginia and transferred to Wichita State, but he never appeared in a game for the Shockers, as he was dismissed from the team and ended up at Western Nebraska CC last season, where he averaged more than 31 points per game to lead the nation.

[medinabuckeye1]

B1G Regular season Championship and BTT seeds in detail:

The B1G Regular season Championship is now mathematically down to just two teams and practically down to just Michigan.  The mathematical contenders:

• 13-1 Michigan, 3 remaining games (vsIL on Tuesday, vsMSU on Thursday, @MSU on Sunday). 
• 14-4 Illinois, 2 remaining games (@M on Tuesday, @tOSU on Saturday). 

Any Michigan win OR Illinois loss mathematically clinches it for Michigan.  Ie, the ONLY way Illinois can get the title is if they win out AND Michigan loses out.  Obviously if Michigan beats Illinois on Tuesday in Ann Arbor it is over. 

BTT seeds:

• Almost certainly Michigan.  Illinois only if they win out AND Michigan loses out. 
• Illinois unless they get the #1.  Even if Illinois loses out they will finish 14-6 which would be no worse than tied with Iowa.  The Illini are 1-0 against the Hawkeyes so they win that tie and can do no worse than the #2 seed. 

After that it gets a lot more complicated so I'll go by team in order of current record:

• 12-6 Iowa (vs UNL, vs UW) 14-6, 13-7 or 12-8:  The Hawkeyes
• 11-6 Purdue (vs UW, vs IU) 13-6, 12-7, or 11-8: 
• 12-7 Ohio State (vs IL) 13-7 or 12-8: 
• 10-8 Wisconsin (@PU, @IA) 12-8, 11-9, or 10-10: 
• 9-9 Maryland (@NU, vs PSU) 11-9, 10-10, or 9-11: 
• 9-9 Rutgers (@ UNL, @ MN)  11-9, 10-10, or 9-11: 
• 7-10 Michigan State (vs IU, @ M, vs M) 10-10, 9-11, 8-12, or 7-13: 
• 7-10 Indiana (@ MSU, @ PU)  9-10, 8-11, or 7-12: 
• 6-12 Minnesota (@ PSU, vs RU) 8-12, 7-13, or 6-14: 
• 5-12 Penn State (vs MN, @ UMD) 7-12, 6-13, or 5-14:  Probably #12.  #11 only if they win out and MN loses out.  #13 only if they lose out and NU wins out. 
• 4-13 Northwestern (vs UMD, vs UNL) 6-13, 5-14, or 4-15:  Probably #13.  Could be overtaken by UNL if they lose out or overtake PSU but only if they win out and PSU loses out because NU would lose a tie with PSU. 
• 2-14 Nebraska (vs RU, @ IA, @ NU) 5-14, 4-15, 3-16, or 2-17:  They will be the #14 seed unless they beat Northwestern and win at least one other game plus one additional game for any win that NU has. 

The really messy ones are #3-10. 
Iowa:

• 14-6:  #3 seed either as a 3/4 tie loser with IL or alone. 
• 13-7:  #3 seed if tOSU loses to IL and PU loses at least once.  #4 seed if tOSU or PU win out.  #5 seed if tOSU and PU both win out. 
• 12-8:  #4 seed if PU loses out, #5 seed otherwise. 

Purdue:

• 13-6:  #3 seed if Iowa loses a game, #4 seed if not. 
• 12-7:  #3 if Iowa and tOSU lose out.  #4 seed if IA or tOSU lose out.  #5 if neither tOSU nor IA loses out. 
• 11-8:  #5 if Wisconsin loses at least once, #6 if Wisconsin wins out. 

Ohio State:

• 13-7:  #3 if Iowa and PU each lose at least once.  #4 if either IA or PU loses at least once.  #5 if IA and PU both win out. 
• 12-8:  #3 if IA and PU both lose out.  #4 if either IA or PU loses out.  #5 if neither IA nor PU lose out. 

Wisconsin:

• 12-8:  #5 if PU loses out, #6 if PU wins at least one. 
• 11-9:  #6 if UMD loses at least one game, #7 if UMD wins out. 
• 10-10:  #6 if UMD loses out and RU loses at least once and MSU loses at least once.  #7 if one of those things doesn't happen.  #8 if two of those things don't happen.  #9 if none of those things happen. 

I tried to do the rest but it gets inordinately complicated. 


If the BTT started now:
Wednesday:

• #11 Minnesota vs #14 Nebraska
• #12 Penn State vs #13 Northwestern

Thursday:

• #5 Ohio State vs PSU/NU
• #6 Wisconsin vs MN/UNL
• #7 Rutgers vs #10 Indiana (Rutgers wins 7/8 tie with UMD based on record against PU)
• #8 Maryland vs #9 Michigan State (MSU wins 9/10 tie with IU based on H2H)

Friday:

• #1 Michigan vs UMD/MSU
• #2 Illinois vs RU/IU
• #3 Iowa vs UW/MN/UNL
• #4 Purdue vs tOSU/PSU/NU

Saturday:

• M/UMD/MSU vs PU/tOSU/PSU/NU
• IL/RU/IU vs IA/UW/MN/UNL

Sunday:

• M/UMD/MSU/PU/tOSU/PSU/NU vs IL/RU/IU/IA/UW/MN/UNL

My guesses in bold. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

The really messy ones are #3-10. 
Iowa:

• 14-6:  #3 seed either as a 3/4 tie loser with IL or alone. 
• 13-7:  #3 seed if tOSU loses to IL and PU loses at least once.  #4 seed if tOSU or PU win out.  #5 seed if tOSU and PU both win out. 
• 12-8:  #4 seed if PU loses out, #5 seed otherwise. 

Purdue:

• 13-6:  #3 seed if Iowa loses a game, #4 seed if not. 
• 12-7:  #3 if Iowa and tOSU lose out.  #4 seed if IA or tOSU lose out.  #5 if neither tOSU nor IA loses out. 
• 11-8:  #5 if Wisconsin loses at least once, #6 if Wisconsin wins out. 

Ohio State:

• 13-7:  #3 if Iowa and PU each lose at least once.  #4 if either IA or PU loses at least once.  #5 if IA and PU both win out. 
• 12-8:  #3 if IA and PU both lose out.  #4 if either IA or PU loses out.  #5 if neither IA nor PU lose out. 

If Iowa, Purdue, and OSU all finish with 7 losses, I believe there's no H2H tiebreaker at all, and Purdue drops to #5 due to win percentage because they have one less game.

However, if the bolded scenario happens, wouldn't Purdue and Ohio State have H2H as primary tiebreaker, and Purdue is 2-0 against OSU? 

I would think that if Purdue and OSU are the only teams matched with 7 losses, H2H would take precedence over win%, and thus Purdue would get the 4. 

[medinabuckeye1]

If Iowa, Purdue, and OSU all finish with 7 losses, I believe there's no H2H tiebreaker at all, and Purdue drops to #5 due to win percentage because they have one less game.

However, if the bolded scenario happens, wouldn't Purdue and Ohio State have H2H as primary tiebreaker, and Purdue is 2-0 against OSU?

I would think that if Purdue and OSU are the only teams matched with 7 losses, H2H would take precedence over win%, and thus Purdue would get the 4.

As I understand it, it is based on win percentage.  Thus, Purdue will NOT have any tie with any team because they are going to end up with 19 games and no other team that will end up with 19 games can tie them.  

One at a time (I think I had a mistake above but fixed it between when I posted originally and when you posted):
Iowa, Purdue, and OSU all finish with 7 losses:

• 13-7 Ohio State (wins tie with Iowa based on record against IL)
• 13-7 Iowa
• 12-7 Purdue (not tied, lower winning percentage).  

Bolded scenario:

• 14-6 Iowa:  #3 seed.  
• 13-7 Ohio State:  #4 seed, no tiebreakers because no tie, tOSU's winning percentage is higher.  
• 12-7 Purdue:  #5 seed.  

AFAIK, the rules are based solely on winning percentage and the tiebreakers are ONLY activated if two teams finish with the same winning percentage.  Thus tiebreakers are irrelevant for Purdue because they can't tie any other team.  They will be 1/2 game ahead of other teams with the same number of wins and 1/2 game behind other teams with the same number of losses.  

Example, Iowa and Purdue both go 1-1, Ohio State loses:

• 13-7 Iowa .650
• 12-7 Purdue .632
• 12-8 Ohio State .600

There are no ties so it is irrelevant whether Purdue would win or lose a tie with either Iowa or Ohio State.  

[betarhoalphadelta]

Ahh, I think you're right. I just read that the 2021 seeding is based on the 2020 rules and tiebreakers. 

And therefore a team that is 13-6 is not tied with a team that is 14-6. They'd be 0.5 games back. 

This is of course ridiculous, because all the 2020 tiebreaking procedures were based on the idea of every team playing a full schedule, which they should have anticipated may not occur going into the 2020-21 season...

But it is what it is... I guess all Purdue needs to do is just keep winning. 13-6 beats 13-7. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Ahh, I think you're right. I just read that the 2021 seeding is based on the 2020 rules and tiebreakers.

And therefore a team that is 13-6 is not tied with a team that is 14-6. They'd be 0.5 games back.

This is of course ridiculous, because all the 2020 tiebreaking procedures were based on the idea of every team playing a full schedule, which they should have anticipated may not occur going into the 2020-21 season...

But it is what it is... I guess all Purdue needs to do is just keep winning. 13-6 beats 13-7.

Barring something unexpected, any team that Purdue could tie in either the win or loss column will have 20 games as opposed to Purdue's 19 so it is pretty simple:

• If Purdue is tied in the win column they win (because less losses)
• If Purdue is tied in the loss column they lose (because less wins)

Purdue controls their own destiny for a top-4 seed because nobody behind can catch them.  I would not even be too worried with a loss because Ohio State is in full-on Holtman-annual-monthlong-swoon mode and will lose to Illinois so even if Purdue splits their last two (vsUW, vsIU) they'll still get the #4 seed at 12-7 because Ohio State will finish 12-8.  Even if Ohio State breaks out of the funk (they will not, it takes a month based on past seasons' experience) that still would simply mean that Purdue would get the #5 seed and play the #12/13 winner (probably PSU) on Thursday then beat Ohio State on Friday.  Purdue might actually be better off with the #5 seed and an extra win (PSU) before beating Ohio State to advance to a semi-final match-up with Michigan. 

The semi-final with Michigan is probably a great deal for Purdue as well because I see it as a win/win deal.  Everyone will expect Purdue to lose and, if they do, the loss will not hurt them but a win would be a HUGE quality win to push up Purdue's seed plus it would get them into the B1GCG which would be another game that really couldn't hurt their seed and could help their seed even more.  

[FearlessF]

Huskers playing defense

[medinabuckeye1]

Huskers playing defense

This could be catastrophic for Rutgers' tournament chances.