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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1148 on: February 19, 2021, 10:06:42 AM »
This weekend should be exciting.  All 14 B1G teams have league games and nearly every team is within +/-1 game of at least one other team so a lot of movement in the standings is possible.  

Saturday:

  • 10-9/4-9 Michigan State at 12-9/7-7 Indiana, noon ESPN
  • 15-5/11-3 #5 Illinois at 13-9/6-9 Minnesota, 330pm
  • 14-8/9-6 Purdue at 5-14/1-11 Nebraska, 530pm BTN
Sunday:
  • 15-1/10-1 #3 Michigan at 18-4/12-4 #4 Ohio State, 1pm CBS
  • 13-10/7-9 Maryland at 12-8/8-8 Rutgers, 3pm
  • 7-11/4-10 Penn State at 16-6/10-5 #11 Iowa, 5pm
  • 15-8/9-7 #21 Wisconsin at 6-13/3-12 Northwestern, 7pm BTN

What is at stake:
  • MSU@IU:  The Spartans need to start winning to have any chance of extending their NCAA Tournament streak without winning the BTT.  The Hoosiers need wins to stay on the right side of .500 for NCAA purposes.  
  • IL@MN:  This might look like a mismatch and it probably would be in Champaign but in Minneapolis the Gophers are REALLY tough.  They already have wins over the other two B1G title contenders . . .
  • PU@UNL:  All about win volume and avoiding what would obviously be a bad loss for the Boilermakers.  
  • M@tOSU:  Covered in a post upthread, this is HUGE not only for these two and IL (B1G title chances) but nationally as well.  
  • UMD@RU:  Both are close to the bubble making this a critical game for both.  
  • PSU@IA:  IMHO, if the Nittany Lions lose this they fell into the "need to win BTT" category.  Iowa just needs the win to keep up.  
  • UW@NU:  Wisconsin would be in a heap of trouble with a loss here considering what they have coming.  


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1149 on: February 19, 2021, 10:27:17 AM »
Other teams with a mathematical chance to win the B1G Regular Season Title:
Iowa 10-5:
The Hawkeyes are in fourth place and have four games left on the schedule but two of the four are against teams ahead of them in the standings.  Their remaining games are:

  • vs PSU on 2/21
  • @ tOSU on 2/28
  • @ M on 3/4
  • vs UW on 3/7
That takes them to 19 games and assumes that their home game against UNL does NOT get rescheduled.  If they were to win out they would finish 14-5.  Assuming Michigan plays only 15 games, here are all of the things Iowa would need (in addition to winning out):
  • Michigan to lose at least two other games (finish 11-4 or worse)
  • Illinois to lose at least three more games (finish 14-6 or worse)
  • Ohio State to lose at least one other game (finish 14-6 or worse)
It is a mathematical possibility but not a practical one.  

Purdue 9-6:
The Boilermakers are in fifth place and have four games left on the schedule.  Assuming nothing gets rescheduled and PU wins out, they still would need all of the following to get at least a share of the B1G title:
  • Michigan to lose out (finish 10-5)
  • Illinois to lose at least four of their last six (finish 13-7 or worse)
  • Ohio State to lose their last three (finish 13-7)
  • Iowa to beat both M and tOSU but lose at least one of vsPSU or vsUW (finish 13-6 or 12-7)

It is a mathematical but not a practical possibility.  

All other teams are mathematically eliminated because they have at least seven losses so they couldn't catch the Wolverines even if they won out and the Wolverines lost out.  


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1150 on: February 19, 2021, 11:28:21 AM »
So is Purdue a lock with a win over Nebraska tomorrow?

Currently they're 14-8, 9-6 in conference. A win over Nebraska would get them to 15-8 and 10-6.

Remaining schedule would be @PSU, vWIS, vIU. There's not a bad loss in that group. First BTT game also likely not a bad loss, as they'd be getting into the conference tourney at a >.500 record so they'd be somewhere in the 7-8 seed most likely. 

Losing out after tomorrow would be 15-12 and 10-10. They'd drop a few seed lines, but I think they'd be solidly on the right side of the bubble, yeah?

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1151 on: February 19, 2021, 12:03:40 PM »
So is Purdue a lock with a win over Nebraska tomorrow?

Currently they're 14-8, 9-6 in conference. A win over Nebraska would get them to 15-8 and 10-6.

Remaining schedule would be @PSU, vWIS, vIU. There's not a bad loss in that group. First BTT game also likely not a bad loss, as they'd be getting into the conference tourney at a >.500 record so they'd be somewhere in the 7-8 seed most likely.

Losing out after tomorrow would be 15-12 and 10-10. They'd drop a few seed lines, but I think they'd be solidly on the right side of the bubble, yeah?
How many B1G games are they going to play?  I've got 19 (15 so far plus @UNL, @PSU, vsUW, vsIU) so I think yes.  Beating Nebraska then losing out (including BTT opener) would be the  15-12/10-10 as you suggested and I think that would be in especially because that season sweep of the Buckeyes just keeps looking better and better.  Back when Purdue beat the Buckeyes they were #20 (5-0) and #15 (11-3) but the Buckeyes have won seven straight since losing a second time to the Boilermakers and are now #4 and 18-4.  

Assuming the  home game against Nebraska doesn't get rescheduled (and lost), I think Purdue is in with a win in Lincoln tomorrow.  

Assuming no more games are rescheduled, here is what I have (abbreviated version):
Locks:
  • 15-1/10-1 Michigan
  • 18-4/12-4 Ohio State
  • 15-5/11-3 Illinois
  • 16-6/10-5 Iowa
Should be in:
  • 14-8/9-6 Purdue
  • 15-8/9-7 Wisconsin
Work left to do:
  • 12-8/8-8 Rutgers
  • 12-9/7-7 Indiana
  • 13-10/7-9 Maryland
  • 13-9/6-9 Minnesota
Needs a miraculous finish and/or BTT Title:
  • 10-9/4-9 Michigan State
  • 7-11/4-10 Penn State
Cannot reach Tournament without winning BTT:
  • 6-13/3-12 Northwestern
  • 5-14/1-11 Nebraska


Additional thoughts on the teams closest to the bubble:
Rutgers:
The Scarlet Knights are 12-8/8-8 with four games plus the BTT to go.  They have two home games (UMD, IU) and a road game at Nebraska left.  They should be favored in all three of those and if they win those three I think they are in.  

Indiana:
The Hoosiers are 12-9/7-7 with four games plus the BTT to go.  They have a tougher remaining road with home games against the two Michigan schools and road games against RU and PU.  I'm not confident that 2-3 (BTT loss) gets them there.  It might, but I wouldn't be confident unless they can get three more wins.  

Maryland:
The Terps are 13-10/7-9 but they have played a brutal schedule and what they have left is manageable.  They could win out to the BTT (@RU, vsMSU, @NU, vsPSU).  That would clearly get them in.  Any combination of four more wins probably gets them in.  


Minnesota:
The Gophers are 13-9/6-9 with four games left (vsIL, vsNU, @PSU, vsRU).  They are two completely different teams at home and on the road.  At home they are a #1 seed (see wins over both tOSU and M) and on the road . . . they aren't even an NIT team.  If that continues they should finish 3-1 to enter the BTT at 16-10/9-10.  I think they'd still need a win or maybe two in the BTT.  


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1153 on: February 20, 2021, 07:58:06 AM »
The Game Basketball Style KenPom

1. Iowa (3)
2. Michigan (4)
3. OSU (5)
4. Illinois (6)
5. Wisconsin (15)
6. Purdue (21)
7. Rutgers (25)
8. Indiana (28)
9. Maryland (33)
10. PSU (38)
11. Minnesota (41)
12. Northwestern (68)
13. MSU (69)
14. Nebraska (117)

Whoeee that top 4

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1154 on: February 20, 2021, 10:19:37 AM »
MSU is playing all of their makeup games.

They have 7 games in the next 15 days, being UM (twice), OSU, Illinois, Indiana (twice) and @Maryland.

At least you can't accuse Izzo of pulling a Harbaugh or K and using the pandemic to get out of playing games in a down year.

If MSU even goes 2-5 through that, I'll be shocked.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1155 on: February 20, 2021, 01:02:28 PM »
MSU is playing all of their makeup games.

They have 7 games in the next 15 days, being UM (twice), OSU, Illinois, Indiana (twice) and @Maryland.

At least you can't accuse Izzo of pulling a Harbaugh or K and using the pandemic to get out of playing games in a down year.

If MSU even goes 2-5 through that, I'll be shocked.
The quick turnarounds could be an issue for not only the two Michigan schools that are catching up but also for some of their opponents that have games shoehorned into the schedule. 

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1156 on: February 20, 2021, 02:23:44 PM »
If MSU wins a title, this is our Tim Tebow speech we carve into the arena


https://twitter.com/kylebaustin/status/1363205558342471685?s=19

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1157 on: February 20, 2021, 03:50:09 PM »
When it looked like Michigan would only play 15 games my thinking was that Ohio State's best chance at a league title was to win out (including a win over Michigan tomorrow) thus finishing 16-4 and for Michigan to lose one additional game to finish 12-3. Both 16-4 and 12-3 are .750 so that would have resulted in a split title. 

With Michigan now scheduled to play 17 B1G games the math for tOSU and Illinois (the only serious contenders) is as follows:

  • If Michigan finishes 15-2 or better (one more loss), nobody can catch them.
  • If Michigan finishes 14-3 only Illinois can catch them, and only by winning out to finish 17-3.
  • If Michigan finishes 13-4 (three more losses) then Illinois or Ohio State can beat them by also finishing with four or less losses (16-4).
  • If Michigan finishes 12-5 (four more losses) then Illinois, Ohio State, or Iowa can catch them by finishing with five or less losses (15-5).
I'm not sure if this makes Ohio State's chances better or worse. They are better because one of the extra games is against Illinois and because Michigan is going to have a slew of quick turnarounds. They are worse because Ohio State now cannot catch the Wolverines unless they lose at least three of their last six.


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1158 on: February 20, 2021, 04:10:35 PM »
When it looked like Michigan would only play 15 games my thinking was that Ohio State's best chance at a league title was to win out (including a win over Michigan tomorrow) thus finishing 16-4 and for Michigan to lose one additional game to finish 12-3. Both 16-4 and 12-3 are .750 so that would have resulted in a split title.

With Michigan now scheduled to play 17 B1G games the math for tOSU and Illinois (the only serious contenders) is as follows:

  • If Michigan finishes 15-2 or better (one more loss), nobody can catch them.
  • If Michigan finishes 14-3 only Illinois can catch them, and only by winning out to finish 17-3.
  • If Michigan finishes 13-4 (three more losses) then Illinois or Ohio State can beat them by also finishing with four or less losses (16-4).
  • If Michigan finishes 12-5 (four more losses) then Illinois, Ohio State, or Iowa can catch them by finishing with five or less losses (15-5).
I'm not sure if this makes Ohio State's chances better or worse. They are better because one of the extra games is against Illinois and because Michigan is going to have a slew of quick turnarounds. They are worse because Ohio State now cannot catch the Wolverines unless they lose at least three of their last six.


Have they announced how they are determining a champion?

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1159 on: February 20, 2021, 04:22:50 PM »
Have they announced how they are determining a champion?
I'm fairly certain that the rule is simply winning percentage so number of games is irrelevant except in that it relates to the percentage. Ie, if Ohio State wins out to finish 16-4 while Michigan loses to Ohio State and one other game to finish 14-3 the Wolverines win because:
  • 14/17=.824 while
  • 16/20=.750


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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1160 on: February 20, 2021, 05:21:54 PM »
Illini are punishing the Gophers.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1161 on: February 20, 2021, 05:23:21 PM »
I couldn't find any actual rule on the matter.  The other way they could do it is like baseball standings, a half game up for a win and down for a loss.  If they do that Illinois could potentially win out and catch them, I think. Illini looking the part today.

 

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