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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 07:02:06 PM »
I'll do the compilation tomorrow but just a few notes for now:

Everyone except @Badger1969 agrees that tOSU and UW are our two best teams, he has PSU second and tOSU third.  

Minnesota is an interesting case.  It seems that most of us either buy in completely or not at all.  Here are their votes so far:

  • Fourth, 5 votes
  • Fifth, 2 votes
  • Sixth, 4 votes
  • Seventh, 5 votes
I'm assuming the five voting them 4th place are unconcerned by their SoS while the five voting them seventh are seriously concerned with that.  

All of us except @Badger1969 (again) agree on the top-half and bottom-half of the conference.  The rest of us all have tOSU, UW, PSU, M, MSU, IA, and MN in the top-half and the other seven (UNL, MD, IU, NU, PU, IL, RU) in the bottom half.  He has Indiana in the top half and MSU in the bottom half.  

Looking at the standard deviations, our most glaring lack of consensus is wrt the following teams:
  • Northwestern:  Std Deviation of 1.42
  • Purdue:  1.29
  • Minnesota:  1.26
  • Nebraska:  1.18
  • Indiana:  1.13
  • Maryland:  1.06

The rest are all <0.90.  

Everybody agrees that Rutgers is the worst team in the conference.  

Based on the votes, if we made tiers they would be:
  • tOSU, UW
  • PSU
  • M
  • MN, IA, MSU
  • blank
  • IU, NU, PU, UNL
  • UMD, ILL
  • RU



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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2019, 12:19:46 PM »
Results posted, votes through @medinabuckeye1 , 16 voters.  

Changes this week:

  • Ohio State spent the last couple of weeks as a pretty much consensus #1 but now they are splitting the #1 votes with Wisconsin.  The Buckeyes are winning that split 11-5 but there IS a split where the last few weeks there wasn't.  
  • Minnesota is WAY up with their big win over Nebraska.  The votes for the Gophers (see above) are split somewhat because their schedule is still shaky but they now have some votes as high as #4.  
  • Michigan State is down significantly after their loss to UW.  That might be an overreaction, maybe UW is just THAT good?  
  • Indiana and Northwestern were up not so much because of anything they did as because Nebraska and Maryland were WAY down.  
  • Purdue is WAY up from being only barely ahead of Illinois for second-to-last to now being basically in a three-way tie with Northwestern and Nebraska for 9/10/11.  
This week's match-ups do not offer a lot in terms of games between closely ranked teams:
  • #1 Ohio State at #9 Northwestern
  • #2 Wisconsin at #13 Illinois
  • #3 Penn State vs #4 Michigan
  • #5 Minnesota at #14 Rutgers
  • #6 Iowa vs #11 Purdue
  • #7 Michigan State is off
  • #8 Indiana at #12 Maryland
  • #10 Nebraska is off
Penn State Michigan is obviously huge but the rest are all separated by at least four spots so, in theory, those shouldn't be very competitive.  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2019, 03:54:04 PM »
Bowl positioning:

Ohio State, Penn State, Minnesota, and Wisconsin each have six wins so they have clinched bowl eligibility.  

Michigan has five wins so they only need one more.  That shouldn't be a problem but it could take a few weeks.  They will be underdogs at Penn State this weekend and probably again next weekend at home against Notre Dame.  After that they finish up with @UMD, vMSU, @IU, and vtOSU.  

Iowa, 4-2:
The Hawkeyes shouldn't have a problem but keep an eye on this Saturday's game against Purdue.  The Boilermakers looked dead in the water then they went to College Park and annihilated the Terps.  Has Purdue improved that much or has Maryland regressed that much or was that just one of those things that happens from time-to-time?  The Hawkeyes host Illinois later so if they beat Purdue they will make it but the Illinois game is the only real "gimmie" left on their schedule so if Iowa loses to Purdue things get questionable.  

Indiana, 4-2:
The Hoosiers' next three are key.  They travel to Maryland and Nebraska then host Northwestern.  They absolutely have to win one of them and two would be REALLY helpful because after that they finish up with @PSU, vMich, @PU.   

Michigan State, 4-3:
The Spartans should make it.  They only need two more wins and they host Illinois and Maryland along with visiting Rutgers.  

Nebraska, 4-3:  
As bad as the Cornhuskers have looked of late, I'm honestly shocked that they already have four wins.  Part of that is already playing Illinois (won in Champaign by 4) and Northwestern (won at home by 3).  They should beat Maryland but that game is in College Park.  At this point it is hard to envision them beating Wisconsin or Iowa so they need two wins out of vIU, @PU, @UMD.  It is probably more likely than not at this point but hardly a given.  

Maryland, 3-3:
Remember a few weeks ago when Maryland was third in our Power Rankings and looked like a potential contender in the B1G-E?  The way Maryland looked against Penn State and Purdue that might as well have been four decades ago rather than four weeks.  What happened?  They need to get it figured out quickly because if they lose to Indiana this weekend they can pretty much kiss their bowl aspirations goodbye.  

Purdue, 2-4:
Purdue's bowl chances look a whole lot better this week than they did last week for two reasons.  First, they got the win over Maryland.  Second, and more importantly, they looked like a pretty good football team in the process which is something they hadn't really done prior to that this year.  Unless they pull a major upset and win in either Kinnick or Camp Randall they are going to have to be a perfect 4-0 in their other remaining games (vIL, vUNL, @NU, vIU).  Not impossible, but not easy.  

Illinois, 2-4:
The Illini have almost zero chance of going 4-2 against UW, @PU, RU, @MSU, @IA, and vNU so this is not going to be their year.  

Northwestern, 1-4:  
We are all somewhat accustomed to slow starting Northwestern teams rounding into form but this time I think that they have dug themselves too deep of a hole.  They need to go 5-2 in their remaining games (vtOSU, vIA, @IU, vPU, vUMASS, vMN, @IL) and I just don't see it.  

Rutgers, 1-5:  
The Scarlet Knights still have Liberty on the schedule so they have a good chance to get a second win.  After that it gets tougher.  I suppose they could knock off the Illini in Champaign and maybe Michigan State's offense will gift them four TD's in Picastaway and Minnesota will miss the flight and . . . Not happening.  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2019, 05:50:41 PM »
Iowa, 4-2:
The Hawkeyes shouldn't have a problem but keep an eye on this Saturday's game against Purdue.  The Boilermakers looked dead in the water then they went to College Park and annihilated the Terps.  Has Purdue improved that much or has Maryland regressed that much or was that just one of those things that happens from time-to-time?  The Hawkeyes host Illinois later so if they beat Purdue they will make it but the Illinois game is the only real "gimmie" left on their schedule so if Iowa loses to Purdue things get questionable. 

Purdue, 2-4:
Purdue's bowl chances look a whole lot better this week than they did last week for two reasons.  First, they got the win over Maryland.  Second, and more importantly, they looked like a pretty good football team in the process which is something they hadn't really done prior to that this year.  Unless they pull a major upset and win in either Kinnick or Camp Randall they are going to have to be a perfect 4-0 in their other remaining games (vIL, vUNL, @NU, vIU).  Not impossible, but not easy. 

FYI the game was at Purdue. Maryland was the road team. 

As for the game, I wouldn't actually take "annihilated" the Terps away from it as someone who watched nearly every snap.

Maryland got the ball first. They went 25 yards in 2 plays to midfield. They (2nd and 6) then threw a 50-yard TD pass to go up 6-0... But wait... Called back on a holding penalty. Now they're behind the sticks with 2nd and 17, can't move the ball, and have to punt. 

It was a poor punt, Purdue got great field position, and scored 6 plays later. Got a 3-and-out, get the ball back, score again, and now they're up 13-0.

At this point Maryland has a decent little drive, but stalls after 34 yards. Purdue goes 3-and-out. Maryland has another nice little drive (10 plays, 48 yards), and is faced with 4th-and-3 at the Purdue 21. Instead of kicking the FG, they already feel like they're in catch-up mode PLUS had moved the ball well that drive, but fail to get the 4th down conversion. Purdue again goes 3-and-out and Maryland gets beautiful field position.

3 plays later (we're still early in the 2nd qtr) scores, on runs of 18 yards and then 21 for the TD, and it's 13-7 and we've got ourselves a ball game. (Although it could be 13-10 if MD had gone for the FG.)

Purdue answers 6 plays later with a bomb for a TD to go up 20-7. Maryland goes 70 yards in 4 plays the next drive to draw back within 20-14. Purdue marches right down the field, 65 yards in 11 plays, but stalls out and kicks a FG to go up 23-14. Right about this time, I was on the SOC thread talking about how this was clearly going to be a shootout. 

Short drive from MD, followed by a 3-and-out from Purdue, and Maryland has the ball deep in their own territory with 46 seconds left looking to put points on the board, and every Purdue fan in the world--knowing our sieve of a defense--is scouring the internet trying to research every possible god to pray to that might stop MD. Well, apparently it worked, because Maryland throws a pick-6, Purdue goes up 30-14, and THAT right there was what blew the game open. 

In the 3rd qtr Purdue had a missed FG followed by MD 3-and-out, a made FG followed by ending a promising MD drive with a pick in Purdue territory, a 75 yard drive to get into the 4th quarter resulting in a touchdown, and suddenly Maryland was down 40-14 with 13:05 to play. At that point Maryland is in desperation mode and goes 1-3 on 4th down conversions, turning the ball over on downs 2 more times. 

It's easy to look at the box score and say Purdue annihilated Maryland. But absent that pick-6, the expectation is that with only 46 seconds left, Purdue goes into the half up only 23-14, and not necessarily firmly in control of momentum. The pick-6 basically sealed the game, and put Maryland firmly into "catch up" mode instead of being within their normal gameplan. And if that first Maryland TD hadn't been called back for a hold, it might have been Purdue in catch-up mode most of that first half. It's demoralizing to kick off and 3 plays later be down 7-0, and I don't know how this young team would have responded. The final score was more of a blowout than the game itself indicated.

I think Purdue is quickly improving as a team, and as I said in the 2019 Purdue Season thread, I think against teams without a strong pass rush, we have enough talent in Plummer and our receivers to make a game of anything. Iowa--unlike PSU who killed us--doesn't have a great pass rush, and doesn't have a dominant high-scoring offense. So I think that'll be closer than the 18 point spread. Not predicting a win, but I think that's going to be closer than advertised.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2019, 10:03:49 AM »
Thank you @bwarbiany for the clarification.  I have the PU/UMD game as being in West Lafayette on the Schedule/Performance chart but for some reason when I typed that I was thinking that it was in Maryland, my mistake.  I honestly didn't watch the game so I was not aware that it was closer than that gaudy score made it appear.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2019, 01:28:26 PM »
Updated Massey composite computer ranking, with 101 rankings (last week in parenthesis)

  • OHIO STATE (1)
  • Alabama (2)
  • WISCONSIN (5)
  • LSU (4)
  • Clemson (3)
  • PENN STATE (7)
  • Oklahoma (9)
  • Auburn (6)
  • Oregon (11)
  • Florida (10)
  • Notre Dame (12)
  • Boise State (21)
  • Georgia (8)
  • Baylor (14)
  • Texas (13)
  • Cincinnati (20)
  • Missouri (18)
  • MICHIGAN (16)
  • Washington (23)
  • Utah (-)
  • SMU (17)
  • Iowa State (-)
  • MINNESOTA (-)
  • IOWA (15)
  • Appalachian State (-)

  • 27. Michigan State (19)
  • 54. Indiana (60)
  • 65. Nebraska (55)
  • 71. Maryland (52)
  • 73. Purdue (91)
  • 78. Northwestern (80)
  • 107. Illinois (108)
  • 123. Rutgers (121)

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2019, 02:10:20 PM »
So based on our own power rankings the bowl projections would work out something like this IF there are no upsets.

CFP bowl,    OSU 13-0
ROSE,          WISC 11-2
ORANGE,    PSU 11-1
CITRUS,      NO BIG TEN TEAM SINCE PSU IS IN THE ORANGE

OUTBACK,          MICH 8-4
HOLIDAY,            MINN 10-2
GATOR,              IOWA  8-4
PINNSTRIPE,    MSU 7-5
SANTA CLARA,    INDY 8-4
DETROIT,                NEB 7-5

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2019, 03:24:24 PM »
Thank you @bwarbiany for the clarification.  I have the PU/UMD game as being in West Lafayette on the Schedule/Performance chart but for some reason when I typed that I was thinking that it was in Maryland, my mistake.  I honestly didn't watch the game so I was not aware that it was closer than that gaudy score made it appear. 
No worries. Pretty sure nobody that wasn't either a Maryland or Purdue fan watched this one. I'll bet even Big Ten fans outside of those fan bases were watching OU/Texas at the time.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2019, 07:14:22 PM »
Bowl positioning:


Illinois, 2-4:
The Illini have almost zero chance of going 4-2 against UW, @PU, RU, @MSU, @IA, and vNU so this is not going to be their year. 

  




Well that looks a little less daunting, all of a sudden. 
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WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2019, 05:21:23 PM »

13. Maryland - Fully vindicated for ranking them low before the season. Now I'm just curious how long it takes Maryland to realize what a terrible hire this was.
Okay. Couple things. 

-First year coaching staff. 

-OL is not healthy, neither is the starting QB (although I think Piggy could be used better) 

-As for the "hire", tell me what other coach was going to come into this shit show? A player died during the spring, a coach who isn't allowed to participate gets blamed for it, and the media blows it up because the reporter has beef with Maryland to begin with. Then, a report comes out saying that the student did not drink any of his water, did not eat any of his meals, and was on medication that overheats them.

"Atypical signs of heat stroke". 

Locksley and McNair's father, are friends.

Any other hire world surely get more scrutiny, a definite legal battle that could snowball into a death penalty for the school. 

Oh, and the higher ups wouldn't back you up regardless of the evidence. 

So, who do we hire? 

 

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