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MrNubbz

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2019, 01:44:06 PM »
Nice write up Grover - hope you're wrong though.They still have Tyreek Hill,who if he moved in next to me I'd shoot 'em immediately - preemptive strike
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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2019, 03:13:19 PM »
Nice write up Grover - hope you're wrong though.They still have Tyreek Hill,who if he moved in next to me I'd shoot 'em immediately - preemptive strike
They still have firepower on offense and they'll have a great offense, but the offense won't be record setting like it was last season. It'll come back down to earth a little bit. And the defense will still suck. And Andy Reid has proven yet again he's all flash and no hardware. Great coach at padding stats and winning the regular season. Terrible coach at winning in the post-season when it matters.

I'm looking at other teams in the AFC. Obviously the Pats are #1 pre-season favorites. Really like the LA Chargers roster. Pittsburgh is due for a big rebound year- they are the team to watch in the AFC imo. Especially now that they've gotten rid of all the distractions and drama. Baltimore is going to have a killer defense that will keep them in every game, but I'm just not a big believer in Lamar Jackson. Not sure how far they can really go being that limited at QB. Texans should make a big jump in the AFC South with Luck retiring- that division is theirs for the taking now. And the Browns might have the best roster in the NFL on paper right now. They just have to go out there and prove it and put it all together. Those are the 6 teams I'm looking at in the AFC before the Chiefs.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2019, 04:43:33 PM »
I think Jackson could be great this year. He played well as a rook, and now the game might have slowed down as he's gotten real NFL experience. 

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2019, 06:21:23 PM »
I think Jackson could be great this year. He played well as a rook, and now the game might have slowed down as he's gotten real NFL experience.
He played pretty good for a rookie. But he only completed 58% and only threw 6 TD's. And he threw the ball only about 22 times a game and he ran it 18 times a game in the 7 games he started. He's going to get killed if he keeps running it 18 times a game over the course of a 16 game season. They went 6-1 in those 7 games, but that was in large part because of that phenomenal defense.

I just don't see enough from him as a passer and I think if they keep running him that much he's going to get hurt. It's a matter of when, not if. He should be picking his spots and running 5-8 times a game max. Not 18. That's WAY too much in the NFL. He will get hurt.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2019, 12:30:46 AM »
He played pretty good for a rookie. But he only completed 58% and only threw 6 TD's. And he threw the ball only about 22 times a game and he ran it 18 times a game in the 7 games he started. He's going to get killed if he keeps running it 18 times a game over the course of a 16 game season. They went 6-1 in those 7 games, but that was in large part because of that phenomenal defense.

I just don't see enough from him as a passer and I think if they keep running him that much he's going to get hurt. It's a matter of when, not if. He should be picking his spots and running 5-8 times a game max. Not 18. That's WAY too much in the NFL. He will get hurt.
The biggest thing to me is that I think he showed QB skills at this level. Ability to read defenses. Ability to keep his eyes up while scrambling and continue looking for a pass rather than just tucking and running. Ability to make tough throws.

His rookie stats don't look great compared to great experienced QBs. But his rookie stats look just fine compared to other rookie QBs that went on to be great QBs. 

I agree that he shouldn't run so much. 22 times a game is too much. While I think he's smart and shifty enough to avoid taking a lot of direct contact, it's still too much. But then I assume the coaches will factor in that he's the guy and cut that back.

But I think he's got the tools, and he showed very well for a rookie. I'm not guaranteeing he'll make the jump, but I feel like the odds are very good.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2019, 02:43:58 PM »
It takes a lot to be the worst draft pick in Lions history (considering when taken), but Teez Tabor fits the bill.  Absolute waste of a 2nd round pick, now cut after 2 years.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2019, 04:21:18 PM »
It takes a lot to be the worst draft pick in Lions history (considering when taken), but Teez Tabor fits the bill.  Absolute waste of a 2nd round pick, now cut after 2 years.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Is there a team that drafts worse than the Lions? They wasted the career of the greatest talent at RB that I’ve ever seen AND the career of the 2nd greatest talent at WR behind Moss that I’ve ever seen. 

I hate the Lions. 

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2019, 12:39:44 PM »
Texans OLB/DE Jadeveon Clowney traded to the Seattle Seahawks. Wow.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2019, 09:05:45 AM »
I feel like the Dolphins, who are copying the Browns 25 year plan, would have given the Texans Tunsil plus Stills for a 3rd round pick and a used copy of Game of Thrones season 2 but O'Brien insisted on sending them their entire draft. 

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2019, 11:27:38 AM »
I feel like the Dolphins, who are copying the Browns 25 year plan, would have given the Texans Tunsil plus Stills for a 3rd round pick and a used copy of Game of Thrones season 2 but O'Brien insisted on sending them their entire draft.
Meh. I don't know. Stills is an OK receiver, nothing special. Really solid #2 or #3 guy. Tunsil was the real gem of that trade. He's an excellent young tackle with a hugely bright future and the Texans' OL was trash and Hopkin's running-mate at WR- Will Fuller is always hurt. The trade was defintiely a win in the here and now for the Texans who are in win now mode. And those two players weren't helping Miami win jackshit anytime soon. Miami is in full rebuild mode. As they should be. That team and that roster sucks. I like what both teams did honestly.

With Luck retiring, the AFC South is the Texans' for the taking. They needed a huge boost at OL and they needed it ASAP.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2019, 04:23:16 AM »
honestly, more I think about it, more I love what Houston did. Clowney is a very good player, Pro Bowl worthy caliber, but he is not what I thought he would be. Not even close. I thought he would come in and be another JJ Watt. Especially since he had JJ Watt on the other end of him. Figured he'd have so many 1on1's since Watt is constantly double and triple teamed- that Clowney would just go off. Never happened. He turned into a really good player, not an elite all-time great. Which is what everyone expected considering the hype. This was the highest rated HS recruit ever and one of the most talented players to come into the NFL ever AND he was playing opposite a dominant defensive force like JJ Watt.

Texans are in win now mode. They drafted a tackle in the 1st round and a guard in the 2nd round of this years draft. You plug Tunsil in at LT, move the 1st round rookie Tytus Howard to RT, and plug the 2nd rounder Max Scharping in at guard- now you might have an actual OL to protect Deshaun Watson from getting his brains beat in like they did when he was a rookie and for most of last year.

Clowney was a really good player, but he wasn't taking them anywhere. He wasn't putting them over the top and he wasn't dominating and taking over games the way JJ Watt had done.

They are smartly deciding to put their eggs in the Deshaun Watson basket. They need to get the guy protection- they don't want to wait until it's too late to get an OL to protect him like Indy did with Luck and the guy finally just says F this and retires because his body breaks down.

IF that OL comes together and Will Fuller can stay healthy- oh man look out. Because Watson will produce and so will Hopkins and so will Stills as the #2 or #3 WR. That OL really comes together and Fuller stays healthy- forget about it. Texans will run away with the divison with ease and make a real playoff run.

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2019, 03:47:20 PM »
Packers Bears tonight!

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2019, 12:32:20 AM »
Tunsil is good and so is Stills and Houston needs them. However, I'm sure they could have offered a lot less given. The Dolphins were the more desperate team given that Tunsil and Sills could help them win which is absolutely what the Dolphins are trying to no do. 

Meanwhile the Bears and Packers combined to rush for less than 100 yards and about a 2.8 avg/carry. Maybe just maybe running backs are kinda important and you just can't get by w/ a bunch of scrubs. 

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Re: 2019-2020 NFL Thread
« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2019, 08:17:31 AM »
I put my eyes on the screen, out of curiosity, and now my eyes hurt. 

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