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Topic: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 08:11:18 AM »
I voted for the kicking tee removal, simply because it's going against OT.  I don't hate the idea of OT, I'm not nostalgic for ties.  I simply hate how college football executes it.  I could even get on board with starting at midfield, or maybe even the 40, so that teams at least had to do something to get into field goal range.

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 08:28:53 AM »
I like OT.  I don't like ties.

College football could improve the format, but I'm glad ties are no more.


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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 12:31:12 PM »
I like the college OT system. Definitely prefer it to the NFL system.

Could it be improved? Probably. I could see moving it back to the 40. 

Does it *need* to be improved? Not necessarily. I don't see the current system as deficient.

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 12:34:47 PM »
I like the college OT system. Definitely prefer it to the NFL system.

Could it be improved? Probably. I could see moving it back to the 40.

Does it *need* to be improved? Not necessarily. I don't see the current system as deficient.
In addition to moving it back, I wish they'd stop keeping stats or counting points if they are going to do it that way.  Just leave it tied, and give a team a win and a team a loss, but the score and stats are frozen at the end of regulation.  The NHL doesn't count Shootout stats, and IMO college football OT is more akin to that.

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 01:01:28 PM »
what you're really saying is you want it to be more like soccer..

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 01:36:58 PM »
In addition to moving it back, I wish they'd stop keeping stats or counting points if they are going to do it that way.  Just leave it tied, and give a team a win and a team a loss, but the score and stats are frozen at the end of regulation.  The NHL doesn't count Shootout stats, and IMO college football OT is more akin to that.
I do kinda agree with that... It doesn't happen all that often, but there was the highest-scoring game ever, the 7 OT battle between WMU and Buffalo that finished 71-68.
The game was 31-31 at the end of regulation. To think that this game screws up offense/scoring/etc stats because 77 points (equal to a TD per game over a 12-game season) were scored in a single overtime is just screwy. Points come easier in overtime, too, because of the good field position.
I'd be totally cool with freezing the stats and scores at the end of regulation.

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 01:58:22 PM »
what you're really saying is you want it to be more like soccer..
Well soccer and hockey both continue for some period of time under normal rules before going to their tiebreaker.  Soccer moreso, because in the NHL now OT is 3 on 3.  If you move it back to start with, I think that's closer to hockey, where it's still the same game, we've just made it a little easier to score.  I think NHL rules would be more like before doing what they do now, they played a 5 minute period of 7 on 7s.  So you still had the normal set up, but with a lot more open space to theoretically encourage more scoring.

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2018, 02:19:08 PM »
I didn't mind ties.  They tended to expose the gutless (ie Pat Dye) I do mind the OT format, for most of the reasons above.  The points/scoring/stats very much warp the game. 

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2018, 02:56:46 PM »
With the playoffs, ties make a little more sense tactically, so I could see getting rid of OT in the regular season

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2018, 03:53:14 PM »
With the playoffs, ties make a little more sense tactically, so I could see getting rid of OT in the regular season
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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2018, 04:37:56 PM »
In addition to moving it back, I wish they'd stop keeping stats or counting points if they are going to do it that way.  Just leave it tied, and give a team a win and a team a loss, but the score and stats are frozen at the end of regulation.  The NHL doesn't count Shootout stats, and IMO college football OT is more akin to that.
I think I agree on the stats.  I'm not sure because it feels like players should get some kind of "credit" for OT but I don't like the idea that a 31-31 game in regulation ended with a gazillion points.  I could see just giving the winning team one point, call it an "OT point".  Ie, keep the current scoring while playing the OT's, but once the whole thing is over the winner of that game officially gets credited with at 32-31 win.  I don't know.  
I also kinda like the idea of moving it back to the 40, or at least the 30.  From the 25 it is a very makeable 42 yard FG.  If you know that all you need is a FG then you can run three dive plays that will almost always get you a yard or two each to knock it down to a 36-39 yard FG.  Even just moving back to the 30 would help because from there it would be a 47 yard FG which is at the long end of the reliable range for most kickers.  

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2018, 04:40:29 PM »
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I do think that eliminating ties is somewhat unnecessary in games that aren't for a specific trophy.  Ie, I would be adamantly opposed to having the possibility of a tie in the B1GCG or the CFPCG and it obviously wouldn't work in a playoff semi-final.  Other than that, I don't mind ties.  It is up to each coach to decide whether to preserve the tie or play for a win.  

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Re: 2018 OT Tourney (1st Round) - OT vs. Removal of FG Kicking Tee
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2018, 12:11:56 AM »
I like the idea of OT TD's counting as 2 point OT conversions and OT FG's aa 1 point OT conversions.  

Officially you don't score a TD in OT, you score a 2-pt OT  conversion.  Kickers don't kick a FG, they kick a 1-pt OT conversion.

This will keep player stats and team scores down.

 

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