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Topic: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week

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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2025, 09:35:08 PM »
Rhule is flyin to Maryland on Thursday after practice

instead of Friday morning like last season
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2025, 09:49:22 PM »
no surprise here. Link is a guard playing LT and Semaj Morgan is a 5'7, 175 pound midget with 4.6 speed who isn't exactly quick and who drops passes multiple times a game.


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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2025, 10:55:31 PM »
Illinois- the 64th ranked Total Offense put up 500+ yards and 34 points- and would've had almost 50 points on USC's defense without those two fumbles near the goal.


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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2025, 11:00:06 PM »
Illinois, luckily, has a kicker
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2025, 11:02:42 PM »
Illinois, luckily, has a kicker
so does Michigan. although he's missed a couple gimmes under 30 yards that he never misses. still pretty automatic from 40-55 yards.

punter? yeesh. that's another story.

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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2025, 08:14:30 AM »
per Sherrone Moore, he's changing up the travel plans out west vs last year when they had to go out to Washington- this year for this game Michigan will be flying out earlier- on Thursday now to get used to the time zone change- and they will hold practice Friday at The Bolt- the state-of-the-art facility of the LA Chargers.
The Bolt...I wonder how they managed to make that happen? /s
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-1, 2-0) @ USC Trojans (4-1, 2-1) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2025, 09:57:08 AM »
TE1 Marlin Klein said he feels like he's 100% healthy now. 

this is also big news....Sherrone says starting LG  Gio El-Hadi and TE2 Hogan Hansen are probable vs USC. 


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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2025, 10:43:56 AM »
Neutral field, I would take Michigan, no questions asked.  But the trip to the west coast continues to screw with teams

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2025, 11:13:50 AM »
Neutral field, I would take Michigan, no questions asked.  But the trip to the west coast continues to screw with teams

USC 30, Michigan 24
i think the travel thing is kinda overblown and used an excuse/crutch. it only makes a real difference imo if you have a team from the west going to the east and having to play a game at noon ET and the visiting teams body clock is still 9am PT. or vice versa having a team like Michigan State go out to the West Coast and play a game at 8pm PT when their body clock is at 11pm ET.

Michigan is leaving earlier- Thursday this time- which will help them adjust better to the time zone change and recover from the jet lag- and the game is being played at 4:30pm PT- and these kids are used to playing multiple games a year at 7:30pm ET. 

home field advantage is a real thing in college football- and that's why I'm slightly leaning to USC. if USC wins it'll be because they played a good game- not because Michigan had to travel. 

only thing that makes me think Michigan might win- keep going back to Illinois putting up 500+ yards and they should've had 48 points in that one vs USC- and Illinois isn't exactly a world beater offense. Illinois ran for 170+ yards vs USC- and Illinois is the 99th ranked rushing offense in CFB. Michigan is a top 10 rush offense- both in YPC and total yards- and that's with them barely involving their absolute freakshow athlete QB and playing two top 5 rush defenses in CFB- OU and Wisconsin- and they got 150 on the ground vs OU and 175 on the ground vs Wisconsin- and they never even tried to use Underwood's legs in the run game in either of those games. They unleash his legs vs USC- there is a good chance they could rush for 250-300 imo.

Bryce Underwood continues to gain experience and improve week to week and athletically he is on a different level than pretty much every other QB in CFB. McCulley is actually a pretty good WR and Andrew Marsh the true freshman might be as well. OL/run game continues to improve every week and has been very consistent. Gio El-Hadi coming back at LG, TE1 Marlin Klein being 100%, and TE2 Hogan Hansen coming back would be a huge shot in the arm for this offense this game- the offense just goes up another notch with those 3 in the line-up and healthy. 

defense + run game travels. my only real questions are will they actually use Underwood's legs in the game plan on designed runs and read option- and can Wink Martindale keep his dick in his fucking pants and not go blitz happy every fucking snap. I feel like Sherrone is either too mediocre of a coach to realize the obvious staring him right in the face or too pussy and afraid or both- and that he won't unleash Underwood's legs in the run game and that he won't slap training wheels on Wink Martindale. 

Just use the kids legs and you're gonna get 250-300 on the ground- and DO NOT go blitz heavy vs USC because they will straight up gash you. Play zone coverage and patrol the skies- make them try to drive the length of the field and earn it- don't give up big chunk free plays because you sent the house and the QB hit the open man. Wink can't fucking help himself sometimes though. He doesn't realize sometimes that his pass rush is good enough to get home with 4. Jaishawn Barham is a demon off the edge and Derrick Moore is pretty damn good himself. Let them rush- let the LB's and DB's drop in coverage.

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2025, 11:24:39 AM »
i think the travel thing is kinda overblown and used an excuse/crutch. it only makes a real difference imo if you have a team from the west going to the east and having to play a game at noon ET and the visiting teams body clock is still 9am PT. or vice versa having a team like Michigan State go out to the West Coast and play a game at 8pm PT when their body clock is at 11pm ET.

Michigan is leaving earlier- Thursday this time- which will help them adjust better to the time zone change and recover from the jet lag- and the game is being played at 4:30pm PT- and these kids are used to playing multiple games a year at 7:30pm ET.

home field advantage is a real thing in college football- and that's why I'm slightly leaning to USC. if USC wins it'll be because they played a good game- not because Michigan had to travel.
We've done enough statistical analysis to say that HFA is definitely a real thing and travelling across multiple time zones makes it bigger.  

I disagree with your unsupported assertion that it "only makes a real difference" based on time/travel distance.  My argument, and the data bears it out, is that it makes the biggest difference in games like this that are relatively even matchups.  I agree with @ELA here in that I would take Michigan on a neutral field but USC is a legitimate challenge, close enough for HFA to push them over the top I think.  

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2025, 11:27:34 AM »
Sherrone Moore says Andrew Marsh is a starter at WR opposite Donoven McCulley going forward and has earned that right. No more Semaj Morgan or Channing Goodwin starting. Thank god. Moore said WR3 battle is still open and ongoing. Unfortunately Semaj is still their only little slot/gadget guy so he's still going to get real action. 

Moore also says true freshman WR Jamar Browder is getting closer to seeing the field and showing him stuff in practice and picking up the playbook now and will be in the mix going forward. Browder is a big bodied 6'5, 215 jump ball merchant from South Florida.   

Per PFF, Michigan WR's/TE's have 14 drops on the season on passes they chart as catchable. That's a drop rate of 15.4%- which is highest in the nation- with Semaj Morgan (5) and Channing Goodwin (4) as the main culprits. 

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2025, 11:31:55 AM »

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2025, 11:48:13 AM »
One of my assumptions built over years of watching the Badgers is that a solid running game tends to limit the impact/mistakes that go along with travel. Maybe it is because there are fewer connections that have to be timed correctly, or the offensive line is playing on the front foot instead of the back, but whatever it is, a team that wants to grind the ball down your throat seems to be able to take that on the road more easily than a team that wants to spread the ball around. Maybe that's right, maybe I'm full of all kinds of confirmation bias, but I figure Michigan will run right at USC and dare the Trojans to stop them. And I don't think the men of Troy will do any better than they did against the ancient Greeks. Maybe they will make Michigan grind out a tough, low-scoring victory, but I think this is Michigan's game to lose.

The Illinois experience is a good barometer (though USC was traveling). Illinois gifted USC a 14-point (at least) swing with two goal line fumbles. The Illini offense thoroughly outplayed USC's defense. And while I don't know that it's true, I suspect that Michigan has a better offense and I'm confident it has a better defense. So: Michigan for the win. Probably not a barn burner. That's not how Michigan's offense--or defense--plays.

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Re: #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) at USC (2-1, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2025, 12:14:29 PM »
The Illinois experience is a good barometer (though USC was traveling). Illinois gifted USC a 14-point (at least) swing with two goal line fumbles. The Illini offense thoroughly outplayed USC's defense. And while I don't know that it's true, I suspect that Michigan has a better offense and I'm confident it has a better defense. So: Michigan for the win. Probably not a barn burner. That's not how Michigan's offense--or defense--plays.
Michigan definitely has a better rushing offense than Illinois. Illinois is the 99th ranked total rush offense- and that's with playing 6 games vs Michigan's 5. Illinois rush YPC average is 3.7 yards- which is amongst the lowest in P4, meanwhile Michigan's nearly 3 full yards more at nearly 6.4 YPC- which is top 5 in the FBS. And this is with Michigan facing two top 5 rush defenses in the country in Wisconsin and Oklahoma- and not using their freak athlete QB in the designed run game at all. Illinois hasn't really faced a front 7 that is rated highly in stopping the run- and their rush stats are still pathetic.

Overall offense because of the passing game? Illinois might be a tad better considering their QB is a 38 year old man with a fucking mortgage whose been in college for 20 fucking years- and Michigan's QB is a true freshman who just turned 18 like a month ago.

SP+ has Illinois offense rated 18th in the nation and Michigan offense rated 31st. SP+ has Michigan as the 7th rated defense in the nation, and Illinois as the 51st rated defense.

 

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