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Topic: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2024, 05:11:49 PM »
I know osu fans won’t want to hear this, but there was two blatantly awful calls that shortly after resulted in two osu touchdowns. The fact that interception wasn’t reviewed is crazy and just about all of society outside of Ohio agrees it should have been an interception. Secondly, Oregon was driving, had a 3rd down in OSU territory and there was a blatantly defensive holding which then had a pass interference on the pass. 2-3 plays later after it resulted in osu ball, Henderson ripped that massive 50+ yard run which then lead to a td. Can’t take away his runs, but ball shouldn’t have been in his hands yet. Yes, bad calls always happen, but these were blatantly terrible and lead to 14 of the 31 points almost immediately after.
It is funny, we've always talked about hypotheticals and "if they played again" but in the past it was mostly all hypothetical.  Now things are different.  What we saw last weekend might be the end of tOSU/Oregon for this year but it also might just have been the first of as many as three installments (regular season, B1GCG, CFP).  Consequently, these "if they played again" hypotheticals aren't entirely hypothetical.  It really could happen and it could actually even happen twice more.  

From that perspective rather than arguing bad calls and odd loopholes that have now been closed, the thing that I would point out is that there was no point in the game when it felt like it was getting away from Ohio State.  Here were the leads and snaps by the team in the lead:
  • 7-0 tOSU, 4 snaps.  
  • 7-6 tOSU, 7 plays for a TD.  
  • 14-6 tOSU, 0 snaps.  
  • 14-12 tOSU, 0 snaps.  
  • 15-14 ORE, 0 snaps. 
  • 21-15 tOSU, 0 snaps.  
  • 22-21 ORE, 9 snaps but 3 of them were at the very end of the half without enough time to do anything).  
  • 28-22 tOSU, 5 snaps
  • 29-28 ORE, 0 snaps.  
  • 31-29 tOSU, 0 snaps.  
  • 32-31 ORE, 0 snaps.  
Two things:
  • Oregon never led by more than one point.  Their leads were 15-14, 22-21, 29-28, and 32-31.  
  • Oregon only had both the lead and the ball right before and right after halftime.  Before halftime they went 3-and-out and after halftime they gained 19 yards on 6 plays before punting.  


When Ohio State was up 14-6 it "felt like" they were in position to run away with it but then they gave up a TD, had that weird unintentional onsides kick, gave up a FG, and found themselves behind 15-14.  Ohio State IMEDIATELY responded with a TD to make it 22-15.  

Ohio State had the lead and the ball up 28-22 late in the 3rd quarter.  That definitely felt like an opportunity to put the game away.  Not completely, there was still about 15 minutes left but a TD there makes it a 13 point game and even a FG makes it a two-score game at 31-22.  

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2024, 05:49:46 PM »
I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.

Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play.  If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG,  does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?
True but since it was a broken play that thought was lost in the excitement of the moment - I like the kid's gutsy performance
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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2024, 06:05:42 PM »
brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning?

absolutely NOT
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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2024, 09:48:46 PM »

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2024, 10:07:54 PM »
the penalty, ... defensive penalty was not good.

a huge mistake by Oregon

the lack of acknowledgement by Ohio St. to  realize the clock would run after being placed by the official was a mistake

Oregon benefited by their huge mistake

better to be lucky than good
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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2024, 05:57:26 AM »
I'm not sure I ever knew exactly why John L. was so mad


https://twitter.com/SpaceCoyoteBDS/status/1846750054528209218

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2024, 11:09:26 AM »

well one guy loses to Marshall and Nothern Illinois at home....one guy doesn't.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2024, 04:05:58 PM »
I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.

Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play.  If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG,  does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?

The way I look at it,  Lanning took a calculated risk and it paid off,  but he had no guaruntee it would pay off.  In fact it could have easily back-fired on him.
Of course there's no guarantee.. but osu had the ball on 43.. they needed a good 10-15 yards to have a much better shot to make a field goal.. if you have a 12th guy on the field protecting that area or an extra guy to double team smith, its not just about the clock, it's about increasing the likelihood that osu won't have the bigger play for an easier field goal. risking 5 yards for better opportunity to prevent 15 yard play seems pretty brilliant in my book. 

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2024, 04:20:04 PM »
I'm not sure I ever knew exactly why John L. was so mad


https://twitter.com/SpaceCoyoteBDS/status/1846750054528209218

Pretty sure that was the same afternoon as the Wisconsin blocked punt to win the Axe, the Reggie Bush tush push, and Mario Manningham on the final play to beat Penn State

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2024, 04:57:44 PM »
Of course there's no guarantee.. but osu had the ball on 43.. they needed a good 10-15 yards to have a much better shot to make a field goal.. if you have a 12th guy on the field protecting that area or an extra guy to double team smith, its not just about the clock, it's about increasing the likelihood that osu won't have the bigger play for an easier field goal. risking 5 yards for better opportunity to prevent 15 yard play seems pretty brilliant in my book.
The only issue with that is if the refs weren't half asleep and realized what happened they could have tagged Oregon with a 15 yarder. Had they done that, Lanning probably not looking so hot.

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2024, 06:05:02 PM »
the lack of acknowledgement by Ohio St. to  realize the clock would run after being placed by the official was a mistake
Well DAY hired Kelly(smart move) so he could focus on the particulars.Evidently the possibility of everyone being covered didn't enter his mind.If so did he tell Howard to get inside and get a few yds then go down to stop the clock in the event? if not a glaring oversite by RD
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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2024, 06:26:31 PM »
The only issue with that is if the refs weren't half asleep and realized what happened they could have tagged Oregon with a 15 yarder. Had they done that, Lanning probably not looking so hot.
Is that the ruling in the the last 30 seconds?Or is 5 yds outside the red zone protocol?
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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2024, 06:28:13 PM »
Is that the ruling in the the last 30 seconds?Or is 5 yds outside the red zone protocol?
Intentionally playing 12 guys is afoul of like six of the unsportsmanlike rules. They called the substitution infraction five yarder

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Re: #2 Ohio State (2-1, 5-1) at #3 Oregon (3-0, 6-0) Post Game
« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2024, 07:05:01 PM »
Well the zebras couldn't prove it then/there so that's wishful thinking
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