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Topic: #19 Michigan (2-2, 5-2) at #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2017, 11:39:34 AM »
Michigan just passed for 58 yards. Against Indiana. Any Michigan fan who is confident in a victory on the road at night against Penn State is an absolute complete and utter moron. Penn State is going to absolutely smash Michigan in half. It will not be a close game. At all. Michigan's defense might be able to keep them in the game for a half, but Penn State will start to roll in the 3rd QTR and midway through the 4th the game will be over. The only plus side is O'Korn will probably play so bad, Harbaugh will be forced to put Peters in late when the game is out of hand and then Peters will be able to probably make his first start at home against Rutgers and then Michigan can start finding out what they have in him and build for the future.


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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2017, 11:48:36 AM »
I don't have an issue with Penn St at #2, we're gonna find out in the next 3 weeks if they deserve the ranking or not.

Although if I was voting, I would put Georgia in the #2 slot as of right now.
That's where I'm at.  I think Georgia is #2, but PSU started higher, and while they haven't had a big moment, they haven't lost, or been challenged by a vastly inferior opponent.  One of those 31-28 wins over Illinois that will cause you to drop.
I like SOR, and that has Georgia #1, and I agree they have the best resume, although I wouldn't pick them to beat Bama (#3).  FWIW, PSU is #5 there, also behind TCU (#2) and Miami (#4)

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2017, 12:07:34 PM »
If O'Korn passes like he did against Purdue Michigan wins by 10+ points.
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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2017, 01:46:53 PM »
If O'Korn passes like he did against Purdue Michigan wins by 10+ points.
Oh please. Get out of here with that non-sense. IF my Aunt had a d*** she'd be my uncle.

WHEN O'Korn passes like he did against Michigan State, Indiana in 2016 and Indiana in 2017- Michigan will lose by 17.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt ya know.

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2017, 02:00:18 PM »
couple little interesting tidbits...

Penn State didn't offer S/LB hybrid Khaleke Hudson, DT Mo Hurst Jr., or John O'Korn- all of them come from the area and grew up dreaming of playing for Penn State. DE Chase Winovich was pretty much set to go there until the scandal broke out. Penn State would be a pretty gnarly team with Hurst and Winovich starting on their DL. Not sure Khaleke would start but I think he'd fit in there somewhere in the two deep. Really glad Penn State didn't get those guys and they are at Michigan. Too bad they passed up on O'Korn.

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2017, 08:55:11 AM »
Bill Bender recounts the last 25 years of clashes between the two football programs....

25 Years Penn State vs. Michigan
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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2017, 09:19:33 AM »
Bill Bender recounts the last years of clashes between the two football programs....

25 Years Penn State vs. Michigan
It's certainly an interesting series from a fan base mentality perspective.

Obviously Michigan's top rival is OSU, and the MSU game falsl behind it, and gets more juice for being in state.  PSU hates OSU most, but the Big Ten assigned them MSU as a "rival," but there is some sort of undefined UM-PSU rivalry just kind of lurking out there.

Considering they have only played 20 times ever, and never before 1993, you have a disproportionate number of memorable games.

1993 - UM goal line stand in a 21-13 win

1995 - PSU students throwing ice at UM players in a 27-17 loss

1997 - UM rolling PSU in Happy Valley on "Showdown Saturday" where you had two matchups between top 5 teams, and both were outdone by Nebraska holding off Missouri on an uncalled kick ball

2002 - controversial out of bounds call halts potential PSU socring drive, UM wins 27-24 in OT

2005 - Manningham catch on the final play

2013 - UM goes on a 24-3 run to turn an 11 point halftime deficit into a 10 point lead with 6 minutes left, only to have PSU come back to force OT.  Then both teams miss a FG in 1st OT.  Both teams make a FG in 2nd OT.  PSU fumbles in 3rd OT, but the rapist misses another chip shot FG.  He makes his FG in the 4th OT, but PSU scores a TD after going for it on 4th and 1, rather than kicking a FG to extend to 5 OT.  It went 4 OT, and the teams combined for 15 OT points (9-6 PSU), PSU had 27 total yards over the 4 OTs (25 on the final one) and UM had 30 yards total.

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2017, 11:32:47 AM »
It's jihad week in Happy Valley.  As I pointed out in the Game Week thread, this series has produced a number of classics, but the vast majority have gone the Wolverines' way.  A not so memorable game took place last year when a 2-1 Penn State team came in off a loss to Pitt, and a near loss to Temple, and got absolutely trucked, 49-10, in a game that could have been much, much worse.  Trace McSorley had a career worst 34.4 QBR, and Saquon Barkley had what was at that point a career low in rushing yards, with 59.  That was the game that convinced everyone that James Franklin was only a recruiter, and that his time in Happy Valley was drawing to an end.  But to the surprise of everyone, it flipped the other way.  Since that humiliating defeat in the Big House, the Nittany Lions are 15-1, with the lone loss being a 3 point loss to USC in the Rose Bowl.  They've tallied wins over the schools that had supplanted them in the conference pecking order, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan State, Wisconsin.  Now it's time to go after the one that got this whole thing started.  Everyone talks about Michigan's defense, with good reason.  Maybe it's because all attention to Penn State is to Saquon Barkley's Heisman candidacy, but for whatever reason, the Nittany Lion defense is vastly underappreciated.  They aren't the smothering front that Michigan is, but they aren't letting anyone score, and their creating turnovers at a greater rate than anyone but Michigan State (who admittedly piled up a lot in one game).  Michigan just decided to quit even trying to pass the ball last week, when they totalled only 58 yards through the air and O'Korn missed plenty of downfield targets, without the weather as an excuse.  Indiana's defense is better than your typical Indiana defense, but Trace McSorley threw for 315 yards on them, and J.T. Barrett threw for 304...in a performance that had people questioning what was wrong with him.  If Michigan can't loosen up the Penn State defense, they can forget just relying on the ground game, like they were able to do last week.  The Michigan defense will do all it can to keep them in the game, but unlike the Michigan State game, where the Spartans couldn't take advantage of opportunity after opportunity to put the game away earlier due to Michigan's offensive ineptitude, the Penn State offense will eventually cash those short field in.  This will be another referendum on Jim Harbaugh, and probably unfairly, the Wolverines are going to walk into an absolute beehive on Saturday night, without a quarterback to fight them out of it.
PENN STATE 30, MICHIGAN 14

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2017, 12:01:28 PM »
I think this will be a very close game.  Penn State's offensive line has really struggled this year.  I expect UM to be in the PSU backfield all night.  Penn State hasn't been able to get the deep ball going much this year due to the lack of time for a play to develop. 

With that said, Michigan's offense isn't exactly filling me with fear.  However, I expect them to hit a few big offensive plays, much like Iowa did. 

I think this game will be decided on special teams and by turnovers.   For that reason, I'll go with the team with the better kicker.

I think Michigan wins, 13-10.

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2017, 09:15:35 PM »
Michigan just passed for 58 yards. Against Indiana. Any Michigan fan who is confident in a victory on the road at night against Penn State is an absolute complete and utter moron. Penn State is going to absolutely smash Michigan in half. It will not be a close game. At all. Michigan's defense might be able to keep them in the game for a half, but Penn State will start to roll in the 3rd QTR and midway through the 4th the game will be over. The only plus side is O'Korn will probably play so bad, Harbaugh will be forced to put Peters in late when the game is out of hand and then Peters will be able to probably make his first start at home against Rutgers and then Michigan can start finding out what they have in him and build for the future.
I’m trying to feel optimistic about this game, but my gut keeps returning to a similar feeling as posted here. I like Michigan’s D, but they get worn out by the second half because the offense is not good. My only hope is that Michigan has this oddly bizarre good fortune against PsU and has won many games they were not the better team.
As far as betting, I had a few guys ask me about it this week and my advice was if you’re honestly putting money down, bet the house on PSU. Michigan’s offense looks that bad to me. 

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2017, 09:12:15 AM »
O’Korn played well enough to win the game. The fundamental problem with Michigan’s offense is the OL not the QB.  WRs need to improve as well.   Hard to win games over a quality oppenent with piss poor blocking and all the dropped passes.

Michigan’s defense gave up quite a few big plays.  That’s going to happen when you’re playing the likes of Barkley.  What bothered me the most was the mis-matches on PSU’s recievers.  LBs defending Barkely or a WR like Hamilton in space does not work.

Congrats to Penn State and good luck next week.
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Re: #19 Michigan (2-1, 5-1) at #2 Penn State (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2017, 12:59:09 PM »
O’Korn played well enough to win the game. The fundamental problem with Michigan’s offense is the OL not the QB.  WRs need to improve as well.   Hard to win games over a quality oppenent with piss poor blocking and all the dropped passes.

Michigan’s defense gave up quite a few big plays.  That’s going to happen when you’re playing the likes of Barkley.  What bothered me the most was the mis-matches on PSU’s recievers.  LBs defending Barkely or a WR like Hamilton in space does not work.

Congrats to Penn State and good luck next week.
The fundamental problem with the offense is the play-calling and the coaching.

Harbaugh needs to basically fire the entire offensive staff and start from scratch and find a real play-caller. It's that bad. I'd offer Jedd Fisch the job ASAP. The problem I am seeing with the WR's is the route running and their hands. I don't think they have a full-time WR coach. Time to call up Soup Campbell and see if he wants a job. Drevno has to be demoted to OL coach or go.

I don't agree with you on O'Korn. At all. He is bad. He struggles going through progressions and telegraphs throws and if his first read isn't there right away he's running out of the pocket. He has no feel in the pocket, he can't slide and step up and get rid of a ball. He often runs himself into pressure that isn't there if he'd just slide and step up. He's a really good athlete who can run, he's got ideal size with an above average arm- his arm is better than Wilt's- but he's just not good at football. He teases you with his physical talent but mentally he's not there. And he's a 5th year senior. His flaws aren't going to be fixed.

Peters needs a shot and they need to try other RB's and shuffle up the OL. Kareem Walker and O'Maury Samuels can't be much worse than the horseshit at RB they keep trotting out there. Higdon can't pass block and Chris Evans is NOT A RUNNING BACK. I think Ruiz at C, Kugler to LG and Bredeson to RT might be the line up they should try for the OL. JBB should probably be benched. He struggled yet again.

The Penn State game was a huge indictment on the coaching staff. They are being way too stubborn. That defensive game plan was atrocious. They never once made adjustments. Just like the offense. Harbaugh's ego is holding this team back right now. He needs to realize it ain't working- time to make some changes.

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-2, 5-2) at #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2017, 01:04:44 PM »
Time to build for the future going forward. 

Great opportunity next week to re-shuffle the OL, get Samuels and Walker carries at RB and give Brandon Peters his first crack at starting at home against Rutgers.

Be smart Jim. Don't be an idiot and start O'Korn and the same OL line-up and keep giving minutes to a RB that cannot pass block and another guy that is a slot WR playing RB. 

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Re: #19 Michigan (2-2, 5-2) at #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2017, 03:26:47 PM »
Michigan's defense got burned early and then got worn out, and while the offense played better than I expected, they're obviously not able to score more than 20 points against a decent defense.

At this point, there's no reason not to at least play (if not start) Peters. However, I wouldn't make any other major changes to who plays. Cole, Kugler, Isaac, and the fullbacks are the only other seniors that play, and they deserve to. If the team is able to get a big lead against Rutgers, Maryland, and/or Minnesota, the backups will get reps, anyway. There's also no reason to burn redshirts at this point.
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