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Topic: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond

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OrangeAfroMan

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16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« on: May 28, 2025, 08:23:41 PM »
Do any of you have thoughts on the 16-team proposals out there?
5 conf champs + 11 at-large

4 SEC, 4 B1G
3 ACC, 3 XII
1 G5
1 at-large/ND
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4 SEC, 4 B1G
2 ACC, 2 XII
1 G5
3 at-large
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some of these have the top 2 seeds getting byes, or 4 getting byes
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I don't like any of them.  I understand the first one, but I gotta go with Lane Kiffin here.  Why not just have the top 16 play?
No byes.  Your advantage for being the top seed is playing the 16th seed.  
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I am happy that they did away with the rankings AND seedings going into this season.  That was always odd to me.  
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2025, 10:59:08 PM »
4 for the SEC is a little odd, considering that they are slowly turning into a glorified CUSA in the NIL era.

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2025, 07:12:38 AM »
Wow, it only took you 2 years to reach our level of arrogance.  Impressive.

Now imagine B1G teams winning 7 straight NCs, with 4 different schools.  :57:

That last part is the biggie.  Are there even 4 programs capable of winning a NC in the B1G?!?  You have the same big 2, only now with a lot more dwarves.  And don't say Oregon, as they seem allergic to life at the top.
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2025, 07:23:48 AM »
Penn State and USC maybe. They have the resources. Just need coaches.
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2025, 08:29:14 AM »
Wow, it only took you 2 years to reach our level of arrogance.  Impressive.

Now imagine B1G teams winning 7 straight NCs, with 4 different schools.  :57:

That last part is the biggie.  Are there even 4 programs capable of winning a NC in the B1G?!?  You have the same big 2, only now with a lot more dwarves.  And don't say Oregon, as they seem allergic to life at the top.

How much milage do you think that you can continue to get out of the pre NIL run?

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2025, 08:41:31 AM »
Five and 11 is fine. The SEC doesn’t really have much need to be a little piss babies, but they really seem to want to.

There is also entirely too much over reaction for what ended up being an out and out weird year for that conference. 

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2025, 08:45:02 AM »
my thoughts are that the whole thing is broken
2 conferences running the show and the rest scrambling for crumbs
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2025, 05:12:41 PM »
Chrome crashed and I lost a long post so I'm redoing it.  Here is the article it is from.  

Allegedly the model being pushed by Petitti and that the committee is leaning towards is:

  • 4 SEC
  • 4 B1G
  • 2 ACC
  • 2 B12
  • 1 G5
  • 3 At-Large
  • 16 Total
But it isn't a straight 1v16 . . .8v9 bracket because apparently that would be way too simple.  Instead it is:
First round (basically a play-in):
  • #13 vs #16 (at #13?)
  • #14 vs #15 (at #14?)
Second round (#1 and #2 get a bye and I think it is more-or-less presumed that #1 and #2 will generally be the SEC and B1G Champions but this isn't a lock):
  • #14/15 at #3
  • #13/16 at #4
  • #12 at #5
  • #11 at #6
  • #10 at #7
  • #9 at #8
Quarter-Finals (traditional bowls):
  • #1 vs 8/9
  • #2 vs 7/10
  • #3/14/15 vs 6/11
  • #4/13/16 vs #5/12
Semi-Finals:
  • #1/8/9 vs 4/13/16/5/12
  • #2/7/10 vs 3/14/15/6/11
Then there is the caveat that apparently Petitti wants the B1G #3 through #6 to face each other on CCG weekend to determine the 3rd and 4th spots.  I assume that the SEC would do the same thing. 

So applying that to last year here is what you have going into CCG weekend:
  • 12-0 Oregon is playing #3 Penn State in the B1GCG but both teams are guaranteed a spot.  The winner gets a bye.  
  • 11-1 Texas is playing #5 Georgia in the SECCG.  Texas is guaranteed a spot either way.  With a win they get a bye.  
  • 11-1 Penn State is playing #1 Oregon in the B1GCG for a bye.  
  • 11-1 Notre Dame is done and will go to the playoff.  In theory they could get a bye if Texas and PSU both lose but as a practical matter probably not because UGA would jump them by beating Texas (in practice this is exactly what happened last year.  UGA jumped them for beating Texas while CCG losers Texas and PSU stayed ahead of them so ND actually dropped a spot).  
  • 10-2 UGA is playing #2 Texas in the SECCG likely for a bye.  
  • 10-2 tOSU is playing (hosting?) either IL or IA for the B1G's 3rd CFP spot.  
  • 10-2 Tennessee is playing either Bama, LSU, USCe, aTm, Ole Miss, or Mizzou for the SEC's 3rd CFP spot*.  
  • 11-1 SMU is playing #17 Clemson in the ACCCG.  Both teams get CFP bids and neither has a shot at a bye.  The loser of this game *MIGHT* drop toe the play-in round.  
  • 11-1 Indiana is playing (hosting?) either IL or IA for the B1G's 4th CFP spot.  
  • 11-1 Boise St is playing #20 UNLV with the G5 spot on the line.  
  • 9-3 Bama*
  • 10-2 Miami is done.  
  • 9-3 Ole Miss*
  • 9-3 USCe
  • 10-2 ASU is playing #16 ISU in the B12CG.  Both teams have a guaranteed spot in the CFP but the loser is likely relegated to the play-in round.  
  • 10-2 ISU is playing #15 ASU in the B12CG.  See above for ASU, same applies.  
  • 9-3 Clemson is playing #8 SMU in the ACCCG.  Both teams get CFP bids and neither has a shot at a bye but with a loss Clemson *MIGHT* be relegated to the play-in round.  
*SEC
This is a convoluted mess because there is a logjam of six teams at 5-3 all tied for 4th place.  

Texas was #1 at 7-1.  Georgia and Tennessee were tied for 2nd at 6-2 and the Bulldogs beat the Volunteers so UGSA goes to the SECCG against Texas.  4th-9th are:
  • 5-3 Bama
  • 5-3 LSU
  • 5-3 USCe
  • 5-3 aTm
  • 5-3 Ole Miss
  • 5-3 Mizzou
For purposes of simplicity I'm going to solve this based on CFP rankings so:
  • #4 is #11 Bama
  • #5 is #13 Ole Miss
  • #6 is #14 USCe
Thus the SEC games on CCG weekend are:
  • UGA vs Texas, SECCG
  • Tennessee vs USCe (at TN?)
  • Bama vs Ole Miss (at Bama?)

Then based on results that actually happened for the games that actually happened and higher ranked team winning for the games that didn't, the CFP final rankings/seedings would be:
  • 13-0 Oregon
  • 11-2 Georgia
  • 11-2 Texas
  • 11-2 Penn State
  • 11-1 Notre Dame
  • 11-2 Ohio State (beat IA/IL in assumed game)
  • 11-2 Tennessee (beat USCe in assumed game)
  • 12-1 Indiana (beat IA/IL in assumed game)
  • 12-1 Boise St
  • 11-2 SMU 
  • 10-3 Bama (beat Ole Miss in assumed game)
  • 11-2 ASU
  • 10-2 Miami
  • 10-3 Clemson 
  • ? ? ?
  • 10-3 ISU

The #15 spot goes to an at-large team (the other at-large teams are Miami and Notre Dame).  This could be:
  • 9-4 Ole Miss loser to Bama in SEC 4th place game was #14 at 9-3 
  • 9-4 USCe loser to Tennessee in SEC 3rd place game was #15 at 9-3
  • 10-2 BYU was #17.  

I *THINK* this would go to BYU so thus the CFP is:
Play-in Round:
  • #16 10-3 ISU at #13 10-2 Miami
  • #15 10-2 BYU at #14 10-3 Clemson
Second round:
  • Clemson/BYU at #3 11-2 Texas
  • Miami/ISU at #4 11-2 Penn State
  • #12 11-2 ASU at #5 11-1 Notre Dame
  • #11 10-3 Bama at #6 11-2 Ohio State
  • #10 11-2 SMU at #7 11-2 Tennessee
  • #9 12-1 Boise at #8 12-1 Indiana
Quarter-Finals:
  • #1 13-0 Oregon vs Boise/Indiana
  • #2 11-2 Georgia vs Tennessee/SMU
  • Texas/Clemson/BYU vs tOSU/Bama (tOSU/Texas actually happened)
  • PSU/Miami/ISU vs Notre Dame/ASU (PSU/Notre Dame actually happened)
Semi-Finals:
  • Oregon/Boise/IU vs PSU/Miami/ISU/ND/ASU
  • Georgia/Tennessee/SMU vs Texas/Clemson/BYU/tOSU/Bama


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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2025, 05:23:00 PM »
All the play-in crap is so fucking stupid.  So are all the convoluted nonsense medina posted (thanks for the effort though).  
Play a normal goddamn season.
Rank the top 25 teams (you know, like the AP still does).
The top 16 make the playoff in a normal-ass bracket of 1 v 16, 8 v 9,...

Every single thing beyond that is an effort to make more $$$ off of more eyeballs and clicks.
Fuck it all.  

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2025, 05:35:58 PM »
I really can't even form an opinion on this stuff anymore.  Everything they do, is dumber than the last thing they did.  I can't control it or affect it in any way, so there's no point in wasting any brainpower on it.

As always I'll root for my team to win football games.  I can't expend the mental energy to care about anything more than that.

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2025, 05:38:56 PM »
All the play-in crap is so fucking stupid.  So are all the convoluted nonsense medina posted (thanks for the effort though). 
Play a normal goddamn season.
Rank the top 25 teams (you know, like the AP still does).
The top 16 make the playoff in a normal-ass bracket of 1 v 16, 8 v 9,...

Every single thing beyond that is an effort to make more $$$ off of more eyeballs and clicks.
Fuck it all. 
Or...

  • Play a normal goddamn season.
  • Play the bowl games.
  • Polls vote for who deserves the MNC. 
  • Whoever gets the most votes, is the national champion.

This isn't hard. We did it just fine for decades.

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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2025, 08:34:10 PM »
my thoughts are that the whole thing is broken
2 conferences running the show and the rest scrambling for crumbs
I really can't even form an opinion on this stuff anymore.  Everything they do, is dumber than the last thing they did.  I can't control it or affect it in any way, so there's no point in wasting any brainpower on it.

As always I'll root for my team to win football games.  I can't expend the mental energy to care about anything more than that.
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2025, 12:41:15 AM »
Top 16 Bracket for 2024:
1 Oregon
16 Clemson @
8 Indiana
9 Boise @
5 Notre Dame
12 Arizona St @
4 Penn St
13 Miami @
6 Ohio St
11 Alabama @
3 Texas
14 Ole Miss @
7 Tennessee
10 SMU @
2 Georgia
15 S.Carolina @
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Re: 16-team playoff talk for 2026 and beyond
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2025, 11:43:47 AM »
I really can't even form an opinion on this stuff anymore.  Everything they do, is dumber than the last thing they did.  I can't control it or affect it in any way, so there's no point in wasting any brainpower on it.

As always I'll root for my team to win football games.  I can't expend the mental energy to care about anything more than that.

And it will just get worse and worse every year. Even this week College Basketball won't stop talking about expanding to 72 or 76.

Now we get Matt Rhule joking about expanding the playoff to 40 teams. It isn't just TV pushing the expansion - the coaches want it to. A 40 team playoff means their low effort 8-4 teams can make the playoff, which buys them more time on the job. It's what Chris Holtmann did at Ohio State, keeping his job too long because his mediocre Buckeyes could manage 10 or 11 tournament seedings.


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