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Topic: #15 Michigan (1-1) at #18 Oklahoma (2-0) Post Game

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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2025, 12:15:15 PM »
The Barham targeting call was lame and the officiating was horrendous.  Never saw so much blatant holding that was not called.  Please tell me these were Mountain West refs.  Read somewhere that they were Big Ten refs which I have a hard time believing.  Believe me, you don't want that crew officiating your game.

Michigan's offense was ho hum against New Mexico, I'm thinking or hoping they were looking ahead to the Sooners.  Michigan's offense didn't show much either.  No QB runs, no counters, no deep shots, no trick plays such as a flee flicker.

I watched the highlights of the Oklahoma v. Illinois State game.  There was no pass rush from Illinois St. on Mateer whatsoever.  Oklahoma didn't rush for that many yards which some point to a a flaw but my thinking is that they didn't have to.

I'm thinking Michigan's defense shows up in Norman big time.

Michigan    31
Oklahoma  17
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2025, 12:17:18 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on September 03, 2025, 12:15:15 PM
The Barham targeting call was lame and the officiating was horrendous.  Never saw so much blatant holding that was not called.  Please tell me these were Mountain West refs.  Read somewhere that they were Big Ten refs which I have a hard time believing.  Believe me, you don't want that crew officiating your game.

Michigan's offense was ho hum against New Mexico, I'm thinking or hoping they were looking ahead to the Sooners.  Michigan's offense didn't show much either.  No QB runs, no counters, no deep shots, no trick plays such as a flee flicker.

I watched the highlights of the Oklahoma v. Illinois State game.  There was no pass rush from Illinois St. on Mateer whatsoever.  Oklahoma didn't rush for that many yards which some point to a a flaw but my thinking is that they didn't have to.

I'm thinking Michigan's defense shows up in Norman big time.

Michigan    31
Oklahoma  17
delete this now, please. you already fucked Michigan last week with that stupid Idaho thread. no need to tempt the internet message board troll gods again.
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2025, 12:27:55 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on September 03, 2025, 11:25:33 AM
Buckeye friend of mine said it best yesterday.  According to specifically how the rule is written and in place, it was targeting. That being said, the tackle is a perfect example of why the rule needs to be fixed because that tackle should not be targeting.
This.  

The rule as it is enforced leads to situations like this.  Literally EVERY fanbase can cite at least one instance in which Targeting was called against their team that they don't think it should have and at least one instance where it didn't get called against an opponent where they think it should.  Almost every Ohio State fan asked this question will IMMEDIATELY cite two big-stakes instances in CFP games.  

To a certain extent that would be true regardless because fans are going to be fans and question an instance like this where by the letter of the rule it is pretty clearly targeting but still, this particular rule seems to cause a lot more issues than most.  

The fix I would suggest is to require more of an egregious violation or more clear 'intent' in order to invoke the ejection.  A fifteen yard penalty and automatic first down are one thing but tossing a kid for the rest of the half and the next half should, IMHO require either an egregious violation or some visible apparent 'intent'.  

I also think that having a 15 yard version would help because as it stands the refs only have two choices:
  • No penalty AT ALL, or
  • A HUMONGOUS penalty of 15 yards, automatic first down, and ejection for the rest of the half and the next half.  
I think that a middle ground of the penalty without the ejection would help.  
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2025, 12:31:18 PM »
Dan Orlovsky breaks down Bryce Underwood. always find it a bit amusing that really crappy QBs wind up in the media breaking down QB play....


https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1963265455180710274
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2025, 12:35:28 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 03, 2025, 11:38:29 AM
I realize Michigan fans don't believe rules apply to them, or believe that when they've flagrantly violated a rule that it's a bad rule and it's the rule's fault... And that even when they do violate the rules they should never, EVER, be punished for it.
For more than a century.  
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2025, 12:36:01 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 03, 2025, 12:27:55 PM
I also think that having a 15 yard version would help because as it stands the refs only have two choices:
  • No penalty AT ALL, or
  • A HUMONGOUS penalty of 15 yards, automatic first down, and ejection for the rest of the half and the next half. 
I think that a middle ground of the penalty without the ejection would help. 
I completely agree with this.  I hope a play like this creates the dialogue with decision makers to consider this. Could it be a 15 yard penalty because the tackle was high and had head impact? Yeah, that's fair. Was it so severe a player should be kicked out and miss the first half the following week? Man, not at all. I've seen some disgusting targeting hits where guys should be ejected and heavily penalized. This was nowhere near that. Should always project the well being of defenseless players, but not penalize players so severely for a quick bang bang play that wasn't poor decision making that could lead to injury. 
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2025, 12:37:42 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 03, 2025, 12:31:18 PM
Dan Orlovsky breaks down Bryce Underwood. always find it a bit amusing that really crappy QBs wind up in the media breaking down QB play....
Eh, you don't have to be a great QB or for that matter even be a QB AT ALL to be able to identify and analyze QB play.  
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2025, 12:39:29 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 03, 2025, 12:05:05 PM
he's a Purdue fan. his team sucks royally and with the way the new system operates with NIL/portal, playoff, his team is going to probably suck for eternity now. let the poors take their shots at the rich. i don't mind it.
Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born. Face it... Every fan of a team on the top ten all time wins list is basically a silver spoon Richie Rich MF'er. 

One might say you helmet team fans were...

...born on third base. 
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2025, 12:40:55 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 03, 2025, 12:39:29 PM
Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born. 

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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2025, 12:42:45 PM »
I expect Venables will have something dialed up for the young UM QB.

A close one either way.  OK - 24  UM -- 20
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2025, 12:43:36 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 03, 2025, 12:39:29 PM
Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born. Face it... Every fan of a team on the top ten all time wins list is basically a silver spoon Richie Rich MF'er.

One might say you helmet team fans were...

...born on third base.
it's true. 

that's why a CBA with a salary cap and real roster limits would be a great idea imo. 
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2025, 12:44:21 PM »
first team to 20 wins
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2025, 12:44:56 PM »
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Re: #15 Michigan Wolverines (1-0) at #18 Oklahoma Sooners (1-0) Game Week
« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2025, 12:46:47 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 03, 2025, 12:43:36 PM
it's true.

that's why a CBA with a salary cap and real roster limits would be a great idea imo.
Yep. It'll be nice for the 30 or so teams that are invited. 
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