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Topic: #11 USC (2-1, 0-1) at #18 Michigan (3-1, 1-0) Postgame

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2024, 07:19:43 AM »
Maybe Mullings will get the start?  


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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2024, 08:30:59 AM »
big ten is strong in RB
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2024, 08:36:42 AM »
Plenty of time left to iron out the issues before late November.  Until then Michigan's offense is going to be painful to watch.
so, the defense is gonna carry the wins over USC and Oregon until then?
Or, "the Game" is all that matters?
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2024, 11:25:47 AM »
When are you going to be done with it? 7 -olinemen drafted. Qb goes #9. Star rb. Star receiver drafted. Head coach and most of the important assistants go.

yet here you go. I’m sure you blame Stallions on the OSU loss, even though the program had a massive microscope at that point and you take every chance to bring it up and say asterisk. The take is weak. Your opinion on it is weak. You’ll be the first to say it’s only gold pants, tattoos and Bobby D was only giving players cash envelopes of small values at charity events for their “costs”. The hypocrisy is hilarious, sad and frankly getting annoying.
First, as discussed previously, "somebody else cheated too" still isn't a defense no matter how many times you allege it.  

Second, your effort at equivalence is pathetic on multiple levels.  

Ohio State fired a NC winning coach for failing to disclose one email because Ohio State had the self respect to understand that their institutional dignity was more important that winning a few games.  The trash institution that you cheer for just signed a contract with a HC who actively obstructed an ongoing NCAA investigation.  

Further, all of your allegations fit the pattern of the usual NCAA violations in which a booster and a kid broke the rules.  The worst example I can think of is the Cam Newton situation.  We typically all say "Auburn paid Cam Newton" or "Auburn cheated" but that isn't technically true (at least to my knowledge).  What happened, AFAIK, is that Auburn boosters paid Cam Newton's dad's church.  Note that the institution itself wasn't actually involved in the cheating.  

The Michigan situation is completely different.  Employees of the institution cheated.  That is not some wild-eyed rival fan's take like the allegations you are throwing out, it is facts that are basically undisputed.  The institution itself was involved and complicit and then failed to take reasonable actions to rectify the situation.  

The institution you choose to cheer for abandoned their last thread of dignity when they signed a contract with a guy who had obstructed an ongoing NCAA investigation.  

I want to say something here to answer a criticism that I assume you'll make:
As a rival fan, looking at Michigan under Sherrone Moore, I'm not impressed.  I said in the power rankings thread that the team currently looks like less than the sum of it's parts.  From what I've seen so far, I have NO anti-Michigan reason to want Michigan to fire Sherrone Moore.  From what I've seen so far he appears to be an example of the Peter Principle much like Kerry Coombs was as DC at tOSU*.  

*For anyone unfamiliar, Kerry Coombs was CB's coach at tOSU for 2012 then CB's and ST's for five years from 2013-2017 then left and spent two years as a DB coach in the NFL.  He was GREAT at those things so he got named DC at tOSU and his 2020 and 2021 tOSU defenses sucked.  If you aren't familiar with the Peter Principle it says that people tend to rise to the level of their incompetence.  As applied to Kerry Coombs and Sherrone Moore (conditionally, he could end up ok) they were great at their prior jobs so they got promoted until they got to a level where they were incompetent.  

So I'll ask again:
When you wear a blue shirt with a yellow "M", and tell your kids not to lie, cheat, and steal, how do you explain the exception that allows lying, cheating, and stealing if you are just really, really sick of losing to Ohio State for two decades?  
SiteFirst MeetingLast MeetingGamesWin %WinsLossesTiesAverage Score
Any20012019190.105217 22.5333.89
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Individual Game Results of Michigan (vs Ohio State), 2001-2019

Date Opponent (record)ResultScoreSite
11/30/2019vs.*Ohio State (13-1)L2756
11/24/2018@*Ohio State (13-1)L3962
11/25/2017vs.*Ohio State (12-2)L2031
11/26/2016@*Ohio State (11-2)L2730
11/28/2015vs.*Ohio State (12-1)L1342
11/29/2014@*Ohio State (14-1)L2842
11/30/2013vs.*Ohio State (12-2)L4142
11/24/2012@*Ohio State (12-0)L2126
11/26/2011vs.*Ohio State (6-7)W4034
11/27/2010@*Ohio State (12-1)L737
11/21/2009vs.*Ohio State (11-2)L1021
11/22/2008@*Ohio State (10-3)L742
11/17/2007vs.*Ohio State (11-2)L314
11/18/2006@*Ohio State (12-1)L3942
11/19/2005vs.*Ohio State (10-2)L2125
11/20/2004@*Ohio State (8-4)L2137
11/22/2003vs.*Ohio State (11-2)W3521
11/23/2002@*Ohio State (14-0)L914
11/24/2001vs.*Ohio State (7-5)L2026


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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2024, 11:59:03 AM »
You’re not even worth communicating with. You talk to people that don’t share your opinion like they’re beneath you. Stop posting on Michigan threads. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2024, 12:12:54 PM »
I’m going to take a clearer stance. I went through bilateral craniotomy in 2022. Some of my favorite moments recovering was my kids snuggling with me, watching Michigan games and being a family.  We went through hell as a family on multiple levels. So anytime you start trying to act like I’m a poor father for not asking my kids about cheating, you’re seriously just a flipping asshole and you’ve never gone through real shit in your life. You can call people pathetic all you want as you have no character so your summation of people holds zero weight:

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2024, 12:24:11 PM »
You’re not even worth communicating with. You talk to people that don’t share your opinion like they’re beneath you. Stop posting on Michigan threads.
Not my opinions, facts.  
I’m going to take a clearer stance. I went through bilateral craniotomy in 2022. Some of my favorite moments recovering was my kids snuggling with me, watching Michigan games and being a family.  We went through hell as a family on multiple levels. 
I'm truly sorry for what you went through but it doesn't give you any level of moral authority let alone to say this:
You can call people pathetic all you want as you have no character so your summation of people holds zero weight:

Fact:
The institution you root for stole a F4 from the institution I graduated from through what wiki calls "one of the largest incidents involving payments to athletes in American collegiate history."

Fact:
Employees of the institution you root for lied, cheated, stole, and destroyed evidence over the last three years.  

Own it.  The institution you root for is trash.  

No Michigan "man" has any right to question anyone else's character. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2024, 12:29:46 PM »
C'mon. Let's move past this.

All the Michigan posters here are good people and had nothing to do with what Michigan did or didn't do.

Nobody here wants their team to do bad things.
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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2024, 12:36:27 PM »
To be fair to the current Michigan coaching staff, they lost their eyes.

shut the fuck up about it already you whining little pussy. 

you almost sound like a chubby blue haired they/them libtard shitlib with TDS. 

Jeem and this Stallions fellow truly broke the brains of the simple jack Bucknutjob fan base. Holy shit. It's amazing to see actually. I love it.

Your program has been soft as baby shit at the line of scrimmage the past few years. Haven't had any Bosa brothers or Chase Young's walking on that field. Instead you've had...Zach Harrison? Jack Sawyer? JTT? Lmao. FAR cry from the type of DUDES in the front 7 y'all used to have. Your best LB'er in that time span has been....Tommy Eichenberg? Lmfao. GTFO. I guess when the head coach Ryan Day only cares about offense and recruiting Quarterbacks, Running Backs, and Wide Receivers the defensive talent tends to go to shit?

You lost 3 in a row to Michigan, you haven't beaten them since 2019, Michigan meanwhile just won 3 B1G 'chips in a row, had 3 playoff trips in a row, and won a Natty. You're just gonna have to suck on a fat bag of AIDS dicks and deal with it. And no 47595 page dissertation you write on some message board is going to change that reality. Get over it. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2024, 12:39:48 PM »
C'mon. Let's move past this.

All the Michigan posters here are good people and had nothing to do with what Michigan did or didn't do.

Nobody here wants their team to do bad things.
It’s old. It’s seriously old. Most of us are at points in our life where we share the game we love with the people we love and cherish the memories. His tirades on this path are why people disappear from here. Saying “the institute you root for is trash” is a beyond disgusting thing to say.

no Michigan man has a right to judge anyone’s character? The implication behind that is every Michigan man has little or no character. That’s such a disgusting thing to say. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2024, 01:07:08 PM »
It’s old. It’s seriously old. Most of us are at points in our life where we share the game we love with the people we love and cherish the memories. His tirades on this path are why people disappear from here. Saying “the institute you root for is trash” is a beyond disgusting thing to say.
As I've said I'm basically an outside observer without an inherent bias for or against either team. But this is one of the most egregious cheating scandals I've ever seen in college football. The phrase "I've got receipts" is a bit of a hackneyed phrase, but Michigan actually had receipts that Stalions had to submit for reimbursement! 

But I've seen only two reactions to this scandal from the Michigan fans on this board. 

  • The Mdot approach. He doesn't care that Michigan cheated, in fact I think he revels in it. Because they won the championship and showed the NCAA to be the feckless organization that they are. 
  • The approach from pretty much every other M fan. When the allegations came out, "let's wait for all the facts". "Maybe Stalions was a lone wolf" (he wasn't. When the proof started coming out "well everyone steals signs" (but not like this). When Stalions was gone and they still were winning "well I guess it wasn't that much of an advantage so who really cares." When Harbaugh ran off to the NFL and Michigan didn't clean house and hired the guy who was there during all of this and is under NCAA investigation for deleting evidence that was later recovered, just says "oh well, we'll let the NCAA process play out." 


Deflect. Minimize. Excuse. 

What I haven't seen, and would expect to, is to hear: "Yeah, it was bad. It was cheating. Everyone involved should be punished. The school should have cleaned house of everyone involved, even outside the football program and into the athletic department of anyone who knew and was complicit in it. It was wrong, but please give us the grace to go and correct it the right way."

Maybe some of the Michigan fans on this board have said that and I've missed it. But I don't recall it. 

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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2024, 01:14:51 PM »
^^^^^

Everything bwar just said.  100%.

I'll add that even now, Michigan fans still call out Ohio State as being a dirty cheater institution.  It's been years and years since the last scandal broke there, yet even now Michigan fans bring it up.

So to expect Ohio State fans to just "drop it" while plenty of the sordid story has just recently come out, and current staff are STILL under further investigation, is not only unrealistic-- it's silly.


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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2024, 01:18:48 PM »
One other thing-- SuperMario, you've always seemed like a good guy, and for me at least, and likely most of the people around here, it's not personal.  Not at all.

Some of the Ohio State fans might be taking it too far in your opinion, and I get that.  It's annoying and painful.  For over a decade every dumbass dipshit on the internet has blamed Texas for all of the problems of realignment without ever actually bothering to uncover any of the facts.  It annoys the shit out of me, absolutely.  But ultimately you have to just understand that there are a lot of annoying people in the world and stop letting it get to you.

Except for me.  I still call out every dumbass know-nothing dipshit who blames Texas for everything.  Those dicks can fuck right off. :)


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Re: #11 USC (2-0, 0-0) at #18 Michigan (2-1, 0-0) Game Week
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2024, 01:20:02 PM »
Sorry, but this is the 4th time he’s brought up my kids in a conversation? He doesn’t know my kids, doesn’t know my family and there should always be an unwritten rule - leave my kids out of your f-ing mouth! I’ve let it pass a few times, but he’s consistently brought them up. 

What do you tell your kids? None of your damn business how I raise my kids.

Is it possible they crossed lines and cheated? Sure is, but no one knows the entire story even though some act like they have all the pieces.  

The logo on your sweatshirt with an M represents you have no character and you’re all about cheating and great thing you’re teaching your kids!

Ok, coming from the same dude that probably wears a Browns sweatshirt  and the muni-lot is a disgrace to family integrity. 

Sorry, but if consensus doesn’t see that consistently bringing up a posters kids isn’t a line crossing move, then this forum is dead to me.

 

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