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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #308 on: May 30, 2018, 04:59:14 PM »

Like how Lindy's Mag breaks down the conference rankings by P5 divisions:
14. Sun Belt
13. MAC
12. CUSA
11. MTN W
10. AA
9. PAC 12 South
8. B10 West
7. PAC 12 North
6. Big 12
5. ACC Coastal
4. SEC East
3. ACC Atlantic
2. SEC West
1. Big Ten East
One of those is too low.
LMAO at the SEC-E being 4th. I question the SEC-W too, being 2nd. It's Bama, Auburn and ?
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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #309 on: May 30, 2018, 05:31:33 PM »
How last season ended, based on average composite computer ranking

1. ACC - Atlantic (32.571)
2. SEC - West (35.000)
3. Big Ten - East (39.857)
4. Big XII (47.000)
5. Big Ten - West (48.000)
6. Pac 12 - North (50.333)
7. ACC - Coastal (50.714)
8. Pac 12 - South (51.833)
9. SEC - East (54.571)

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #310 on: May 30, 2018, 05:35:42 PM »
How last season ended, based on average composite computer ranking

1. ACC - Atlantic (32.571)
2. SEC - West (35.000)
3. Big Ten - East (39.857)
4. Big XII (47.000)
5. Big Ten - West (48.000)
6. Pac 12 - North (50.333)
7. ACC - Coastal (50.714)
8. Pac 12 - South (51.833)
9. SEC - East (54.571)
Seems more reasonable. Is this after bowl games?
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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #311 on: May 30, 2018, 05:46:22 PM »
Seems more reasonable. Is this after bowl games?
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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #312 on: May 31, 2018, 05:46:47 PM »
Anyone ranking the SEC east higher than middling is irrational and unworthy of notice.

USCe is probably decent.  UGA looks solid.  And that is it.

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #313 on: May 31, 2018, 05:54:29 PM »
The Sec could always beef up the East by adding Clemson and Florida State, while sliding Mizzou to the West. 
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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #314 on: June 02, 2018, 09:06:05 AM »
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25. Oklahoma State Cowboys
#2 in Big XII
Mike Gundy has proven he doesn’t need elite offensive talent to run an elite offense in Stillwater, but last year he had it across the board, as talented an offense as he’s ever had.  That’s why a 10-3 season felt like a letdown, particularly considering all 3 losses came at home, something the program hadn’t done since Gundy’s first season, 2005, when they went 4-7 overall, and only won 1 Big XII game.  They also won double digit games for the third consecutive season for the first time in program history.  For the naysayers who point to the increased number of games, those three straight 10-3 seasons were also the first time the program had three straight seasons of 3 or fewer losses, since Pappy Waldorf did it for five straight years from 1929-1933 at what was then Oklahoma A&M.  Long before Mike Gundy showed up and started slinging the ball all over the yard, Oklahoma State had developed a bit of a reputation as a running back school.  Obviously Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders in the mid to late 80s, but before them Terry Miller and Ernest Anderson in the late 70s and early 80s were great too.  In fact in about a 13 year stretch from 1975-1988 the school had four different starting running backs who finished with over 3,780 career rushing yards, among six who have done it in school history.  For comparison sake, Ohio State has had two...ever.  It might be time for the Cowboys to get back to that with Justice Hill.  With a repeat of his 2017 season, Hill will join that 3,700 yard club, and would actually slide past Barry into 5th in school history.  The issues are whether the workload was starting to wear on him last season.  He struggled in the final two regular season games before regaining form in the bowl game.  He had the 11th most carries of any running back in the nation, and on his 5’10”, 185 pound frame, that may have worn on him.  When you consider the fact that all ten backs with more carries than him weighed more than he did, and all but one had fewer receptions, you could argue he had the most wear of any back in the nation last year.  And that was with an NFL QB (Mason Rudolph) throwing to a pair of NFL WRs (Washington and Ateman).  They need to replace that production, because it’s impossible to ask Hill to do more.  Dillon Stoner showed as a freshman the tools to likely be Oklahoma State’s next all-American candidate receiver, but the competition to throw him the ball appears wide open.  Junior Taylor Cornelius and redshirt freshman Keondre Wudtee led the competition in the spring, but not all of the participants were there yet.  Cornelius seemed to have the lead after spring practice, but Hawaii grad transfer Dru Brown doesn’t arrive until the fall.  Brown had a solid two years as the starter on the islands, completing 60% of his passes, with a better than 2:1 TD:INT ratio, but his pocket awareness was awful and he took too many sacks.  4* dual threat quarterback Spencer Sanders, from Denton, Texas, is also set to join the program in the fall, and was not an early enrolee.  Gundy has not hesitated to start freshman quarterbacks in the past, Rudolph himself took over the job as a freshman in 2013.  The quarterback question is huge, but Gundy has earned trust there.  Hill is a stud, and the defense should be improved under a new defensive coordinator, with a new 4-2-5 look, predicated off a strong front 7...er, 6, that will allow the Cowboys to get away with playing 5 in the back more often.  With Oklahoma taking a step back, and no strong #2 on paper appearing right now, a lesser Oklahoma State team may reach the conference championship, after a loaded 2017 version could not.
Key Players
RBJustice Hill, Junior
WRDillon Stoner, Sophomore
KMatt Ammendola, Junior
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DEJordan Brailford, Junior
LBJustin Phillips, Senior
LBCalvin Bundage, Junior

24. Stanford Cardinal
#3 in Pac 12
I’m generally of the mindset that any running back should go pro as soon as they have the option.  It’s a limited shelf life, and there is more value in getting to that second contract a year younger than in slightly improving your draft stock, at great injury risk.  So when the Doak Walker Award winner, as the nation’s best running back, decides to come back to school, it really is a head scratcher.  Bryce Love set a school record, and finished second nationally in total rushing yards, and yards per carry, among qualified running backs.  Stanford was 3 points away from being Pac 12 champions a year ago, but in the one game Love missed, they needed a late miracle to squeak out a 1 point win over lowly Oregon State.  That’s how important he is.  But it also shows just how little help he got.  Stanford had a 2,000 yard rusher, and still finished 10th in the Pac 12 in total offense, thanks to a passing game that completed a conference worst 57% of their attempts, for a measly 186 ypg, second worst in the conference.  Congrats Stanford, your passing attack was slightly more potent than Rich Rod’s with a glorified receiver under center.  In fairness, once David Shaw made the move from Keller Chryst to K.J. Costello, the passing game slightly improved.  Costello didn’t have enough pass attempts to qualify, but he would have been 3rd in the nation in Total QBR with 88.1 (behind only Baker Mayfield and Khalil Tate) if he did.  That sort of shows a weakness in that stat.  Basically he didn’t throw interceptions, and he didn’t take sacks.  He still completed below 60% of his passes, his 7.4 ypa was #59 nationally, and he wasn’t a huge rushing threat.  He averaged 137 passing yards per game, even only counting the games he both started and finished.  But there was definitely improvement, enough that a full offseason of #1 reps, which he didn’t have last season, gives hope for big strides forward.  If it doesn’t work, competition is coming in the form of, not one, but two, true freshmen.  The top two rated recruits in Stanford’s class are pro-style quarterbacks, both ranked by 247 Composite rankings among the top 10 pro style quarterback recruits nationally, in Tanner McKee (#46 overall, #3 pro style QB) and Jack West (#235 overall, #10 pro style QB).  Cameron Scarlett’s improvement as a running back would also afford new offensive coordinator Tavita Pritchard, who was elevated after spending the last five years as a position coach, the ability to spell Love a little more.  Scarlett has been great as a returner, but it hasn’t translated fully to running back.  Even in that Oregon State game that Love missed, and Scarlett got the first team carries, he managed only 72 yards on 17 carries.  The talent is clearly there though.
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RBBryce Love, Senior
WRJ.J. Arcega-Whiteside, Senior
GNate Herbig, Junior
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LBBobby Okereke, Senior
LBJordan Perez, Senior
PJake Bailey, Senior

23. Boise State Broncos
#1 in Mountain West
In Bryan Harsin’s four years at Boise State, the Broncos have averaged 10.5 wins per season, won a pair of Mountain West Conference titles, and gone to a New Years Six bowl.  As good as that looks, had Harsin not been a Boise State player from 1995-99, when they tasted their first FBS success, and then been a grad assistant, turned position coach, turned offensive coordinator from 2001-10, including being the offensive coordinator for that stunning win over Oklahoma, even that may not have been enough.  Because during his predecessor’s time in Boise, the program averaged 11.5 wins per season, won 5 of 8 conference titles, and won a pair of BCS bowls.  But Harsin doesn’t get the credit for turning back around what appeared to be slipping in Peterson’s last year, and reach a Fiesta Bowl in 2014.  But if Boise fans want more, and why shouldn’t they, this might be the group to give it to them.  They haven’t been that far away.  The last two years, Boise has finished #25 and #19 nationally in S&P+, both years better than the 2014 team that did go to the Fiesta Bowl.  This year could be the best roster they’ve had since 2011, when a Dan Goodale missed chip shot field goal against TCU cost them a puncher’s chance at playing LSU for a national championship.  Defensively, where the Broncos return 9 starters, all 9 of whom were all conference in 2017, is where Boise State can go from class of the conference to a national conversation.  If Leighton Vander Esch had passed up being a first round NFL pick to return, we would be discussing them among the national elite.  Instead, the linebackers are enough of a question mark to simply relegate them to probably being the best defense of the group of five.  Returning your entire line and secondary, all eight of which were named all-conference, should at least get you that.  Offensively Boise State returns 1,000 yard rusher Alexander Mattison, but they want a lot more of him.  His production has not matched the share of the carries he gets.  He’ll need to take his game up a notch, because while Brett Rypien is probably the best quarterback in the Mountain West going into 2018, I have no idea who he is going to throw it to.  Cedrick Wilson was option A, B and C last year, and otherwise dump it to tight end Jake Roh.  Both guys graduated, leaving it on A.J. Richardson and Sean Modster as the most experienced targets.  Both became more established options down the stretch last year, and were looking to build on that going in 2018, but then over the final two games, being the WAC Championship against Fresno State and the Las Vegas Bowl against Oregon, they combined for 6 catches across two games.  At Boise State, nobody cares if you can pile up catches against UNLV or San Jose State.  There are only a couple of marquee (read loasable) games per year, and Richardson and Modster disappeared.  That does raise the question of what the bar is for Boise State.  They, perhaps more than any other school, were responsible for getting the Group of 5 a seat at the table.  But now that the seat is guarenteed, is it any longer as meaningful as when Boise got there in 2006?  2014’s Fiesta Bowl appearance would suggest no.  Is a CFP birth too lofty?  Perhaps, but if there’s a program to challenge it, and a roster to accomplish it, it’s this one.  The issue remains the schedule.  Winning at Oklahoma State would be nice, but the Mountain West isn’t pulling it’s weight right now.  Aside from Fresno State, and then only barely, there is nobody Boise State could beat in conference that would generate any buzz.
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QBBrett Rypien, Senior
RBAlexander Mattison, Junior
TEzra Cleveland, Sophomore
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DECurtis Weaver, Sophomore
DTDavid Moa, Senior
CBTyler Horton, Senior

22. Florida State Seminoles
#5 in ACC
Only 5 years removed from a national championship, Florida State is undergoing a program reset.  Both with a new coach, and a near total defensive turnover.  Having 6 players depart early for the NFL from a team that needed a three game winning streak to finish the season (over lowly Delaware State, Florida and UL Monroe) just to get bowl eligible, and then lost its coach be ranked in the top 25 seems optimistic, but it may also be just what the program needed.  It was clear, for whatever reason that the marriage with Jimbo Fisher wasn’t working anymore, for whatever reason, and Willie Taggert seems like a perfect fit.  This is Taggert’s fourth head coaching job in seven seasons, but he built Western Kentucky from 2-10 into a bowl team in three years, and South Florida from 2-10 to 10-2 and ranked in the top 20 in four.  The resources he has here are obviously much greater.  In year one, he may have to rely on simply outscoring everybody.  The Seminoles appear capable of doing that, after struggling mightily on offense last season, averaging only 351 ypg, second worst in the ACC.  Florida State’s 2017 season was lost when they lost their starting quarterback for the season.  Now they reap the benefits of having two players, both only sophomores, with a full year of starting experience under their belt in Deondre Francois and James Blackman.  Francois still wasn’t fully healthy in the spring, so that quarterback competition has been delayed until the fall.  Whoever wins the job will have a hell of a 1-2 punch in the backfield to count on, with Jacques Patrick turning down the NFL to return for his senior season, and joining Cam Akers, who was all-ACC as a true freshman last year.  The two combined for 1,617 rushing yards and 13 rushing touchdowns last season, but both need to work on being better in the pass game, both blocking and catching balls.  Defense is where the major concern is, with only two starters returning, and tons of questions in the back seven.  Obviously the talent is there, the talent is always there in Tallahassee, but it’s young.  The line is the only area with any amount of certainty, and even that is relative, with two starters gone to the NFL, both picked in the first half of the draft.
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RBCam Akers, Sophomore
CAlec Eberle, Senior
KRicky Aguayo, Junior
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DTDeMarcus Christmas, Senior
CBStanford Samuels, Sophomore

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #315 on: June 03, 2018, 08:35:46 AM »
Was waiting for the Stanford preview to come out so I could say the same thing: What is Bryce thinking in coming back? He's injury prone and defenses have the book to beat him. Right off the bat their season starts with SDSt, SC, Utah, & ND who will all put 8 and 9 men in the box against Love. By the time Stanford gets past those guys I'd expect Love to be pretty beat up. And from there it isn't so much that the QBs are ineffective but they are treated like placeholders because Shaw is so unimaginative.

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« Reply #316 on: June 03, 2018, 12:57:57 PM »
FSU is an interesting darker horse.

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #317 on: June 04, 2018, 08:38:01 AM »
I have a feeling their new roster on defense will be just fine.  If Florida State can get by VTech in their first game it will set them up for a good year.
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« Reply #318 on: June 04, 2018, 08:58:28 AM »
Here is Sunday, we'll get today's later

21. Boston College Eagles
#4 in ACC
It was just 2015 when Boston College failed to win an ACC game, and yet two years later, with a young team, Steve Addazio had the Eagles winning 5 of 6 to play in their second consecutive bowl game.  Can they take the next step, and compete for an ACC Championship?  It would be a lot easier if Clemson wasn’t in their same division.   The Tigers weren’t exactly the same beast when the Eagles went to back to back ACC Championship Games a decade ago.  That 2007 Boston College team had Matt Ryan, this version is a quarterback away from being a serious threat to Clemson.  The running game should be outstanding, but can they do it with absolutely zero passing game?  They have the horse to try it in A.J. Dillon.  Last year as a true freshman Dillon ran for 1,432 yards, but he was really only the starter for half the season.  Over the first six games he averaged 55.5 ypg on 3.7 ypc, and scored 2 touchdowns.  Over the final seven games?  179.4 ypc (including a pair of 200 yard games) on 6.0 ypc, and scored 12 touchdowns.  Only a few months out of high school.  He’s a big kid, but now with a full offseason in a college weight program, he could be scary to attempt to bring down.  A couple of questions, while that pace over the second half of the season would have made him the nation’s leading rusher (he was actually #12), it would also have given him 60 more carries than anyone in the nation.  Can he handle that load?  And these days you can’t be a non factor in the passing game, as a feature back, but Dillon wasn’t.  He didn’t have a single reception, only three other backs among the top 20 nationally in rushing finished with single digits in receptions, and the next fewest was 6.  But that is quibbling, the issue is finding a quarterback.  Boston College primarily used Anthony Brown, and he returns, but was not overly effective, completing just under 52% of his passes, on a mere 5.3 ypa, with 11 touchdowns to 9 interceptions.  That’s why even though his overall Total QBR was at least ok, his Expected Points Added on Pass Attempts was actually negative, the 6th lowest in the FBS.  That was before his tore his ACL.  Nobody in the spring looked like a threat to replace him though, and he should be good to go for the season.  He has to improve though, to keep the offense humming like it did over the second half, because asking for Dillon to continue that torrid pace is unreasonable.  Jon Hilliman, who had 2,222 rushing yards in his Boston College career, and was as a good a backup as there was in the country, transferred to Rutgers, so there really is no option if Dillon is hurt or needs rest.
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RBA.J. Dillon, Sophomore
TETommy Sweeney, Senior
TChris Lindstrom, Senior
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LBJohn Lamot, Sophomore
SLukas Denis, Senior

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #319 on: June 04, 2018, 10:19:07 AM »
There they are! Whereas most publications are going safe and listing BC in the 40/50s I agree with the high ranking. A fundamentally sound football team starting with the lines and topping off with one of this season's true power running attacks.

The big hurdle for Addazio and his team will be the schedule. No one in the conference has a harder home stretch than Vs Louisville (10/13), Vs Miami (10/26), @ Virginia Tech (11/3), Vs Clemson (11/10), & @ Florida St (11/17). 

Going 2-3 will be a success counts for par.

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« Reply #320 on: June 04, 2018, 12:23:44 PM »
20. Iowa Hawkeyes
#7 in Big Ten
While going 8-5 in 2017 was nothing special, the schedule gods could not have been any less kind to the Hawkeyes.  They drew the top 3 teams from the East as crossover opponents (Ohio State, Michigan State and Penn State), had rival Iowa State (in an up year) on the road, and had their two toughest divisional games (Wisconsin and Northwestern) both on the road.  Really the only loss they probably would like back was the blown second half lead at home against Purdue.  They lost on the last play to Penn State, in overtime to Northwestern, and by one score at Michigan State.  Now they get Iowa State, Wisconsin and Northwestern all at home; and flip Ohio State and Michigan State for Indiana and Maryland.  The unfortunate part is that now the schedule falls in their favor in what looks to be a setup year.  Don't get me wrong, Iowa should still be good this year, but they have the making to be REALLY good in 2019.  This is a two deep loaded with juniors.  The most important thing is to get Nate Stanley back to his early season form, when he was playing as well as any quarterback in the conference, before having a very uneven, at best, second half.  Stanley was outstanding at ball protection, considering the volume with which he threw, leading the Big Ten in TD:INT ratio, and finishing second to Michigan State's Brian Lewerke in interception rate.  It's critical he get that completion percentage up, those 3rd down conversions are going to fall more on his shoulders.  It's critical because both Akrum Wadley and James Butler graduated, making the running back position a huge question mark.  Neither back was overly effective last year, Wadley was at least durable though.  Part of the reason Iowa struggled in the run game, finishing 11th in the conference.  Toren Young and Ivory Kelly-Martin are the most experienced replacements, but each still primarily solely used in garbage time minutes a year ago.   Stanley will have his top targets returning, most importantly being tight end Noah Fant, who was an absolute killer in the red zone, with 11 touchdowns.  Part of the reason why Iowa had the fourth most red zone passing touchdowns in the conference, while running the Big Ten's third worst red zone offense.  Combined with T.J. Hockenson, who himself had 24 catches for 320 yards and 3 touchdowns, the Hawkeyes appear to have the best tight end combo in the Big Ten.  Beyond Fant, wideout Nick Easley returns, but it remains to be seen who serves as the complimentary piece, with Easley working the middle of the field.  The most intriguing is sophomore Ihmir Smith-Marsette, who probably needs to add some weight to his 6'2" frame, but had 5 receptions over Iowa's final 2 regular season games, and is a bigger threat to stretch the field.  The defense lost arguably the best linebacker and best cornerback in the conference, and I don't mean to diminish what that means for a program that can't simply reload, but in terms of overall depth, Iowa could be better this year, with 15 juniors or seniors in the two deep.  A defense that was second in the conference in turnovers created may not match that number, but could be consistently better.  Even with their schedule, catching Wisconsin this year is a tall task, but the goal is to be close enough to be the favorite to get back to Indianapolis in 2019.
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QBNate Stanley, Junior
WRNick Easley, Senior
TENoah Fant, Junior
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DEAnthony Nelson, Junior
LBNick Niemann, Sophomore
SJake Gervase, Senior

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Re: ELA 130 Team Countdown
« Reply #321 on: June 04, 2018, 12:41:06 PM »
Not buying Iowa as a Top 20 team.  Maybe Top 40.  But they still have next to no passing game, they still struggle with special teams, and have to replace quite a bit of talent in the back 7.  But 2019 does look promising at least.

Still, they have the schedule and just enough pieces to finish second in the West.

 

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