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Topic: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?

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roadvol

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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2020, 06:02:14 PM »
Don't really know what your saying about the "quote" comment but at least you grew out of  " everyone is FOS"
analysis.
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #99 on: October 12, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »
Quote from: fuzzynavol on October 12, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
To be fair, Pruitt should only be held responsible for the past 2 recruiting classes - you're being a little impatient.  If Bailey or Salter don't pan out, and he whiffs on Simpson, then unfortunately for him (and maybe the program), he's probably out at Tennessee.  But he's got to have a least long enough to see how that pans out before anyone lights the torches. 

And in the meantime, enjoy Tennessee football for what it is. 
To be fair Pruitt AGREED to be a UT employee prior to the early signing period of 2017. He CHOSE to stay on at Alabama thru the NC game, he CHOSE to setback his initial class. 
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roadvol

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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2020, 06:04:25 PM »
Seivers was my all time favorite reciever. Slow white guy that caught everything in his area code....and was fearless.
I heard an interview of him a couple of years ago. He's still in the Knoxville area.
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« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2020, 06:04:37 PM »
Quote from: awinatl on October 12, 2020, 06:02:34 PM
To be fair Pruitt AGREED to be a UT employee prior to the early signing period of 2017. He CHOSE to stay on at Alabama thru the NC game, he CHOSE to setback his initial class.
He still recruited for UT.

But it was to late to build any relationships with current players of in large part for the next year either.

Coaches after Phil killed the national network that had been built 
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« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2020, 06:11:06 PM »
Well hells  bells...  . let's fire him.
It's been almost 3 years since we had a good firing.
That"ll solve all of our problems
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2020, 06:44:48 PM »
Quote from: DunkingDan on October 12, 2020, 06:04:37 PM
He still recruited for UT.

But it was to late to build any relationships with current players of in large part for the next year either.

Coaches after Phil killed the national network that had been built
Too late to build any relationships ?!?!?! I mean he only had been recruiting the southeast for a decade. And how hard do you think he recruited for TN with Saban looking over his shoulder ?? 
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« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2020, 06:49:43 PM »
Quote from: awinatl on October 12, 2020, 06:44:48 PM
Too late to build any relationships ?!?!?! I mean he only had been recruiting the southeast for a decade. And how hard do you think he recruited for TN with Saban looking over his shoulder ??
He was not recruiting the same places TN traditionally does well in and he only had a assigned area that was his primary responsibility at Bama, the same when he was at Ga and FSU

The recruits said he was on the phone every night while he was coaching for the Natty. His first class was not bad for no more time than he had. 
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2020, 06:49:56 PM »
Quote from: roadvol on October 12, 2020, 05:37:00 PM
I have to say..you're grossly underpaid or have an extremely high regard for your talent to be a wannabe coach.
I happened to be a the Bama game at Legion Field when UT lost with Hinton as QB. If memory serves me correct we were unbaten at the time.
I doubt any coach in the country would change QB on the road at Legion Field when you're unbeaten.
I was also at the UT Auburn game when all Pat Ryan had to do was hold onto the ball for a couple of minutes to win the game and he fumbled the snap , Auburn recovered and Sullivan hooked up with Beasley for the winning TD in the closing seconds.
And if you think Daryl Dickey was a better QB than Tony Robison you're no judge of talent.
I loved DD but he inherited a team that was the most motivated of any of Major's teams.They refused to lose but if they had Robison UT would never have been tied by Ga Tech 6-6 the following week and would have likely won the NC. Dickey was an above average and smart QB that didn't beat his own team but he wasn't even close to Tony Robison's talent who was probably the most athletic QB in UT history ( including J.D.)
You don't have to school me on UT history. I was there for most of it.
You may be adept at looking at the past, but less so at looking at the present and future.  
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2020, 06:51:10 PM »
Quote from: roadvol on October 12, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
Well hells  bells...  . let's fire him.
It's been almost 3 years since we had a good firing.
That"ll solve all of our problems
Yup - it'll keep the "we're just a Saban away from being back where we belong" crowd at bay for another 3 years.  
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« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2020, 08:24:38 PM »
People don't turn around programs in 2-3 years.  Not when you have to play 5 top 15 teams in a single year.   Unrealistic short-term expectations simply creates firings every few years which creates an unstable program.  He's recruiting quite well, but still not as well as Georgia and Alabama - so it will take some time.  The simple fact is that Georgia is more talented than Tennessee is this year and probably has the best defensive line in the country.


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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2020, 08:52:38 PM »
Not just that, but our highly touted OL underperformed egregiously.  Which set up our QB — hardly the most resourceful field general, even under the best of circumstances — for another turnover-fest meltdown.

But hold on.

Our OL was going up against probably the best DL in college football.  With no spring practice.  Limited fall practice, due to Covid.  Weeks of building cohesion, understanding assignments and technique better, and building on that…

Lost.

I think the DL has a huge advantage in such a situation.  They are attacking.  The OL is protecting, executing blocking schemes.

I cite as evidence the surprising effectiveness of our D in the first half, stuffing them on 4th and short twice.  Which was awesome.  Especially the goal line stand to end the half.  And we get the ball first to start the second.  Up by 4!  Good times on ol’ Rocky Top.

Ugh.

Don’t give up on this guy yet.  He’s dealt with nothing but strange circumstances since he took the job.  I actually think he’s handling them pretty well so far.

But that second half has left a pretty awful taste…
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2020, 09:17:57 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on October 12, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
Recruiting rank Tennessee 1993-2005

93 = 3
94 = 1
95 = 8
96 = 7
97 = 1
98 = 10
99 = couldn't find
00 = 2
01 = 5
02 = 4
03 = 18
04 = 11
05 = 4

Give me that run from 93 to 02 and we can beat anybody  (and we did …. got amnesia, fuzz?)

Phil Fulmer was one of the best recruiters of all time.
Fulmer was one of the early national recruiters and he was very good at it. But according to Fuzz, that will never be replicated. I call BS. 
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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2020, 09:28:38 PM »
Quote from: harvestalvol on October 12, 2020, 09:17:57 PM
Fulmer was one of the early national recruiters and he was very good at it. But according to Fuzz, that will never be replicated. I call BS.
It would take a total gut job of the Ath Dept or sheer luck to be replicated. Look at our hires since Fulmer

a fired NFL coach who was uber immature 
La Tech head coach
U of Cincy head coach
a defensive coordinator 

we don’t exactly go and pluck proven head coaching talent from other P5 programs 

we don’t exactly shoot for the stars but rather we aim for the clouds and end up settling somewhere around the treetops 
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harvestalvol

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Re: How Do You Like Phat Phil's Coach Tater Head Now?
« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2020, 09:40:04 PM »
Quote from: fuzzynavol on October 12, 2020, 12:43:41 PM
I would say Auburn is better off being closer to GA than Bama is to MS.

Irrelevant, but true.

Irrelevant. Wasn't your entire argument about proximity of recruits to schools?

Since you voted in the last AL Senate election, so you should know your geography better than that.

Wut?  Don't tell me you're confusing me with Roady.  That'd get you banned if I had any say in the matter. 

Just giving you crap about the whole Roy Moore saga. You were pretty excited about the Moore losing. You babbled about for weeks that Senators represent all of us not just folks in the state.

Bama wasn't positioned to be better than FL and GA over the last 30 years, but...

With a proven national champion like Saban, it was.  If you want to fire every Tennessee coach every 4-5 years for not winning the SEC, then go ahead.  I'll keep trying to introduce you to reality. 

What do you think TN's record would have been since 2007 if we hired Saban in 2007? About the same as Bama's?

It was also highly unlikely that Saban ended up a AL. Rich Rodriguez turned them down. Yes, hard to imagine. The Bama job wasn't very appealing when Saban took it. He had failed in the pros and was willing to take it. They had been through the Mike's- DuBose, Price and Shula with Dennis Franchione. They sucked for 10 years.

How're the other 125 programs out there doing who didn't luck into a unicorn?  I can't guarantee you it wont happen at Tennessee, but if you'd start being a little more realistic and a little less entitled, then you'd know I'm right. 

Thanks for proving my point. Winning is more about great coaching than geography. 


Bama has a marginal recruiting advantage over TN, but only marginal.


The difference between 10 - 2 and 8 - 4 is marginal, too. 

I don't see the advantage being measurable in the W column. 

The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job. 
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