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Fulmer On How to Become The Most Disliked Man In Tennessee
« on: November 18, 2020, 10:26:44 AM »
Well it isn't hard to do if your Phillip Fulmer he should have quit when he was on top like his wife suggested instead he continues to go from bad to worse.

First he stabs his mentor Johnny Majors in the back in order to steal his job pissing off half of Vol Nation. Then he retires in place resting on his laurels letting the football program descend into mediocrity.

After years of inept coaching hires at UT he does it again working behind the scenes to oust the current AD to steal his job pissing off more of the Vol Nation who didn't want to rehire the man they fired knowing he was clueless about how todays game is played.

After being hired as AD he makes one of the most ridiculous coaching hires ever by hiring a BAMA alum without any HC experience.  He rewards the less than mediocre coaching with a contract extension pissing off more of the Vol Nation.

He then has the gall to take a contract extension for the shitty job he has done by giving us a less than mediocre BAMA alum HC probably pissing off the rest of Vol Nation if there was any left that wasn't already pissed off at him.

That my friends is how to become the most disliked man in the state of Tennessee.  :72:


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Tennessee Vols AD Phillip Fulmer quietly received a contract extension in May. Here are the details.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2020/11/18/tennessee-vols-phillip-fulmer-contract-extension-buyout-salary-ut-ad/6317991002/
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Re: Fulmer On How to Become The Most Disliked Man In Tennessee
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2020, 10:41:47 AM »
2 of Fulmers 5 best games were the 92 UGA and UF games when he filled in for Majors ...... had we got that Fulmer for a decade and a half I would’ve been fine with the backstabbing. Instead Fulmer decided to be Spurriers beotch and we squandered many a talented teams 

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 10:45:24 AM »
I can sympathize with a lot of the criticism of Coach Fulmer, but I don't see how any Tennessee fan can't love the guy.   

In the past month we've seen the program lapse into a familiar cycle, where the entitled, delusional sore losers create an environment so toxic that a coaching change may now be inevitable.  

I'd like to see him stay and succeed (and I define success differently from those fools who think the 90's are just a good coach away), but I'm afraid Pruitt is going to start suffering recruiting defeats that will derail his efforts to revive the program (as if it wasn't hard enough to recruit there already).  

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 10:53:09 AM »
I can sympathize with a lot of the criticism of Coach Fulmer, but I don't see how any Tennessee fan can't love the guy. 

In the past month we've seen the program lapse into a familiar cycle, where the entitled, delusional sore losers create an environment so toxic that a coaching change may now be inevitable. 

I'd like to see him stay and succeed (and I define success differently from those fools who think the 90's are just a good coach away), but I'm afraid Pruitt is going to start suffering recruiting defeats that will derail his efforts to revive the program (as if it wasn't hard enough to recruit there already). 

So hard to recruit at Tennessee that even the dumbest of our head coaches land in the Top 15 annually.

Recruiting isn't the problem.  That's one thing I am certain of.



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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2020, 11:05:10 AM »
So hard to recruit at Tennessee that even the dumbest of our head coaches land in the Top 15 annually.

Recruiting isn't the problem.  That's one thing I am certain of.
Top 15 annually isn't near good enough for the types of fans that are calling for Pruitt's head right now, unfortunately.  

There's not much difference between being ranked #12 and ranked #20 in recruiting - their classes are dominated by 3* recruits and you're going to get hammered by the elite programs whose classes are dominated by 4*'s with plenty of 5*'s.  The only aberrations to that will be when we have an NFL quarterback (that must be recruited).  

Georgia's roster has over double the number of future NFL draftees than Tennessee's this year, and the same will be true in 10 years.  The sooner the Vol Nation comes to grips with that, the better.  And if that's NOT recruiting, then what is it?  

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2020, 11:13:09 AM »
Top 15 annually isn't near good enough for the types of fans that are calling for Pruitt's head right now, unfortunately. 

There's not much difference between being ranked #12 and ranked #20 in recruiting - their classes are dominated by 3* recruits and you're going to get hammered by the elite programs whose classes are dominated by 4*'s with plenty of 5*'s.  The only aberrations to that will be when we have an NFL quarterback (that must be recruited). 

Georgia's roster has over double the number of future NFL draftees than Tennessee's this year, and the same will be true in 10 years.  The sooner the Vol Nation comes to grips with that, the better.  And if that's NOT recruiting, then what is it? 

Georgia has a huge advantage in recruiting.   I don't think anyone disputes that.  They've been under achieving for years.  Recently, under Kirby, they are living up to their billing.

No one would be calling for Pruitt's head if his results aligned with this recruiting.  Not sure why that is difficult to understand?  In he Top 15-20 in the nation …. no calls for a firing.  The shit being played out on the field.....ummm WTF is that?

Top 10-15 classes, and staring down the barrel of 3-7 or 2-8.  A non functional QB, and non functional offense, and a team that throws in the towel at the first sign of adversity.  Curb stomped at home by Kentucky, a far less talented team.   Shutout in the 2nd half against ARKY, a team that before this year, with a 1st year / 1st time head coach, had lost 20 straight SEC games.

The problem is coaching, or communication, or both.  And Pruitt seems to have a less than room temperature IQ for either.

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Re: Fulmer On How to Become The Most Disliked Man In Tennessee
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2020, 11:18:33 AM »


First he stabs his mentor Johnny Majors in the back in order to steal his job pissing off half of Vol Nation. Then he retires in place resting on his laurels letting the football program descend into mediocrity.

Johnny cut his own throat. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2020, 11:33:47 AM »
No one would be calling for Pruitt's head if his results aligned with this recruiting.  Not sure why that is difficult to understand?  In he Top 15-20 in the nation …. no calls for a firing.  The shit being played out on the field.....ummm WTF is that?

Fair points - I understand your position.  Where we differ is that I'm inclined to grant a coach a (seasonal) mulligan if I'm under the impression that things are moving in the right direction and he has the respect of the players.  There's so much parity out there among the non-elites and  and Tennessee has had such bad luck at quarterback (has there ever been a quarterback take so many snaps and improve so little in the history of college football?).  

Top 10-15 classes, and staring down the barrel of 3-7 or 2-8.  A non functional QB, and non functional offense, and a team that throws in the towel at the first sign of adversity.  Curb stomped at home by Kentucky, a far less talented team.  Shutout in the 2nd half against ARKY, a team that before this year, with a 1st year / 1st time head coach, had lost 20 straight SEC games.

If no Felipe Franks, we win that game by 17 points.  Pittman has been gracious enough to admit that Franks "gave them an opportunity to have a program this year."  

The problem is coaching, or communication, or both.  And Pruitt seems to have a less than room temperature IQ for either.

People don't want to face it, but as with life, most of it is luck.  

A program destined to recruit between #7 and #18 in the country is going to have its ups and downs, and there are going to have to be some mulligans granted along the way, depending in large part on who gets lucky at quarterback.  

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2020, 11:36:31 AM »
Recruiting starts with coaching just look at Texas they've fallen on hard times with more top recruits in state than anywhere else in the country.

You can shake a tree in Texas and more 5 star recruits fall out than in the entire state of Tennessee.

But Texas is not getting them or not developing what they get just as Tennessee hasn't been doing either one for a long time.

Even when Fulmer was here he recruited well but didn't have good assistant coaches to develop it and wouldn't fire them.  He lives in the world of where mediocrity is rewarded and ran off the best assistant he had in Randy Sanders.

It's coaching along with hiring the best assistants and Bum Phillips said it best.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2020, 12:23:12 PM »
Recruiting starts with coaching just look at Texas they've fallen on hard times with more top recruits in state than anywhere else in the country.

Having a strong proximate recruiting base doesn't guarantee success, but not having one all-but guarantee's mediocrity.  

Even when Fulmer was here he recruited well but didn't have good assistant coaches to develop it and wouldn't fire them.

Most say that about Majors.  In fact, many of Fulmer's detractors attribute his success to having and keeping good assistants.  

He lives in the world of where mediocrity is rewarded and ran off the best assistant he had in Randy Sanders.

Somebody forgot to tell that to a man named Cutcliffe.  

Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n.

Bryant couldn't carry Robert Neyland's jock strap.  

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2020, 12:37:22 PM »
No one would be calling for Pruitt's head if his results aligned with this recruiting.  Not sure why that is difficult to understand?  In he Top 15-20 in the nation …. no calls for a firing.  The shit being played out on the field.....ummm WTF is that?

Fair points - I understand your position.  Where we differ is that I'm inclined to grant a coach a (seasonal) mulligan if I'm under the impression that things are moving in the right direction and he has the respect of the players.  There's so much parity out there among the non-elites and  and Tennessee has had such bad luck at quarterback (has there ever been a quarterback take so many snaps and improve so little in the history of college football?).

There are no mulligans in year 3, especially in these new times.  And, coming off an 8 game win streak to boot ….. signifies, something is amissFurthermore, what kind of idiot continues to trot the (has there ever been a quarterback take so many snaps and improve so little in the history of college football?) on the field?  If no one is better, and hasn't been developed to be better than JG, who's fault is that?  Pruitt's, period.

Top 10-15 classes, and staring down the barrel of 3-7 or 2-8.  A non functional QB, and non functional offense, and a team that throws in the towel at the first sign of adversity.  Curb stomped at home by Kentucky, a far less talented team.  Shutout in the 2nd half against ARKY, a team that before this year, with a 1st year / 1st time head coach, had lost 20 straight SEC games.

If no Felipe Franks, we win that game by 17 points.  Pittman has been gracious enough to admit that Franks "gave them an opportunity to have a program this year." 

Felipe Franks,the Gator reject, who was only a 1 second on the clock hail mary better than JG, who also went 4-8 in 2017?  Uh-huh.  Pittman is the difference in that team, not Franks.  They play inspired football with a confidence that they shouldn't have, both sides of the ball, with almost zero talent on the field.  That is inspired coaching.  They are playing significantly up, and the Vols are playing significantly down.

The problem is coaching, or communication, or both.  And Pruitt seems to have a less than room temperature IQ for either.

People don't want to face it, but as with life, most of it is luck. 

No, it's not.  Liberal fantasies again.  Hard work makes good luck.


A program destined to recruit between #7 and #18 in the country is going to have its ups and downs, and there are going to have to be some mulligans granted along the way, depending in large part on who gets lucky at quarterback. 


Where are the ups?  2015 and 2016 were small blips.  Plenty of downs to go around the last 15 years.  Mulligans are given in year 1 and 2 of every new failed coach we hire....that's all you get.  Lucky at QB, huh?  Some would say UT is lucky having a 5th year senior starting QB with 30 games under his belt.  Doh!  And funny enough, the same teams get lucky at QB every year.  (hint: the ones with good coaches)  Amazing.





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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2020, 12:48:20 PM »
For everyone's viewing pleasure.


Championship Level coaches record in year 3:

Saban - 14-0
Fulmer - 11-1
Miles- 12-2
Meyer - 9-4 after going 13-1 in year 2
Stoops - 11-2
Carroll - 12-1

Lou Holtz - 12-0
Jimbo Fisher - 12-2
Vince Dooley 10-1
Danny Ford 12-0 NC
Jimmy Johnson 11-1
Howard Schnellenberger 9-2
Barry Switzer 11-1 NC
Tom Osborne 10-2
Joe Paterno 11-0
Dennis Erickson 12-0 NC
Gene Stallings 13-0 NC
Pete Carroll 12-1 NC
Jim Tressel 11-2 (NC yr 2)
Larry Coker 11-2 (NC yr 1)
Mack Brown 9-3
Bob Stoops 11-2 (NC yr 2)
Lloyd Carr 12-0 NC
Don James 8-4 (won PAC and Rose Bowl)
Gene Chizik 8-5 (NC yr 2)
Lavell Edwards 7-4-1
Bobby Ross 7-4
Bill McCartney 1-10

Dabo Swinney 6-7

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Re: Fulmer On How to Become The Most Disliked Man In Tennessee
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2020, 12:56:14 PM »
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  • Our pass efficiency rating (PER) on 1st down ranks 24th nationally, while we're 111th on 2nd down and 109th on 3rd down.
  • On 3rd-down runs, we're averaging under 1 yard per carry (114th nationally). Combined with our passing futility on 3rd down, it's easy to see why we're 119th in 3rd-down conversion efficiency.
  • Of our 14 offensive TDs, 11 were scored on 1st down (1 TD every 16 plays). On all other downs, we've scored 1 TD every 77 plays.
  • Not shown above but Tennessee has had just 1 play from scrimmage go for 40+ yards, fewer than any other SEC team. Sans UT, the conference average is 7 plays of 40+ yards


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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2020, 01:10:29 PM »
There are no mulligans in year 3, especially in these new times.

These new times are all about parity except for the handful of elite programs.  Those are the kind of unrealistic expectations that are going to doom the program to persistent underachievement.  At Tennessee, if you want coaches to be around for 4 years or more, you're going to have to get used to mulligans every 3-4 years.

And, coming off an 8 game win streak to boot ….. signifies, something is amiss
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The quarterback position.

If no one is better, and hasn't been developed to be better than JG, who's fault is that?  Pruitt's, period.

If Guarantano hadn't been playing like he was shaving points against Kentucky then we win that game.  And I can't even remember what happened in the collapse against Arkansas, but we won the first half.  We were completely outclasses by Bama and Georgia obviously.  

Felipe Franks,the Gator reject, who was only a 1 second on the clock hail mary better than JG, who also went 4-8 in 2017?  Uh-huh.  Pittman is the difference in that team, not Franks.

Franks improved like Guarantano should have.  Franks gives the team confidence they can compete with anybody.  
 
They play inspired football with a confidence that they shouldn't have, both sides of the ball, with almost zero talent on the field.  That is inspired coaching.

Pittman agrees with me.  Watch what happens to Arkansas when Franks leaves if they don't have an NFL quarterback in the wings.  

They are playing significantly up, and the Vols are playing significantly down.

Guarantano was the first problem, but he's been replaced by fan base toxicity.  

Mulligans are given in year 1 and 2 of every new failed coach we hire....that's all you get.

You're in for a lifetime of frustration as a fan of Tennessee football.  

Lucky at QB, huh?

Yes.

Some would say UT is lucky having a 5th year senior starting QB with 30 games under his belt.

Yes, until they saw him perform. 

And funny enough, the same teams get lucky at QB every year.  (hint: the ones with good coaches)  

It's the top programs, not the mid-tier programs like us.  Occasionally you'll get a Drew Lock at a Missouri, but usually the elite guys want to play at elite programs with other elite players.  There's no reason to expect us to ever get there.  No elite coach would ever come to Tennessee.  Urban Meyer would laugh in our face.  Dabo Sweeney wasn't "elite" until he lucked into a couple elite quarterbacks and he was given a few years to pull that off.  






 

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