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Topic: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits

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Well wait no longer he did it this year and it looks like he can't recruit any better than he coaches.


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PRUITT NEEDS TIME TO GET HIS OWN PLAYERS.

 This is a frequent defense of the Pro-Pruitt faction that would like to see him get more time as Tennessee’s Head Football Coach. I looked at the latest depth chart released by the UTAD prior to the Texas A&M game. I think the results refute the above argument.


OFFENSE
-25 players listed
-19 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
-6 recruited by Butch Jones
-4 starters inherited from Butch Jones (TE-Princeton Fant; LT-Jahmir Johnson; LG-Trey Smith; WR-Josh Palmer)



DEFENSE
-25 players listed
-20 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
-5 recruited by Butch Jones
-3 starters inherited from Butch Jones (DE Matthew Butler; Jack LB Deandre Johnson; Star Theo Jackson)


I think the above proves that what we’ve just witnessed IS Pruitt’s program and another recruiting class is unlikely to improve it significantly.


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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2020, 11:18:31 AM »
Pruitt is out of his depth.

Anyone stating otherwise just "wishes" it weren't true.

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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2020, 12:04:05 PM »
Well wait no longer he did it this year and it looks like he can't recruit any better than he coaches.


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PRUITT NEEDS TIME TO GET HIS OWN PLAYERS.

 This is a frequent defense of the Pro-Pruitt faction that would like to see him get more time as Tennessee’s Head Football Coach. I looked at the latest depth chart released by the UTAD prior to the Texas A&M game. I think the results refute the above argument.


OFFENSE
-25 players listed
-19 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
-6 recruited by Butch Jones
-4 starters inherited from Butch Jones (TE-Princeton Fant; LT-Jahmir Johnson; LG-Trey Smith; WR-Josh Palmer)



DEFENSE
-25 players listed
-20 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
-5 recruited by Butch Jones
-3 starters inherited from Butch Jones (DE Matthew Butler; Jack LB Deandre Johnson; Star Theo Jackson)


I think the above proves that what we’ve just witnessed IS Pruitt’s program and another recruiting class is unlikely to improve it significantly.


http://tonybasilio.com/index.php?page=tony&b=3587
then you have to strip away his first year recruits that were for the most part players signed just to get bodies, then you have his second class who got one year before the world fell apart and his third class which had essentially no preseason conditioning and practice.
While I think he is not ready to prime time due to all the factors I can not judge him yet. I can say I think next year by mid season is make or break.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2020, 12:11:22 PM »
then you have to strip away his first year recruits that were for the most part players signed just to get bodies, then you have his second class who got one year before the world fell apart and his third class which had essentially no preseason conditioning and practice.
While I think he is not ready to prime time due to all the factors I can not judge him yet. I can say I think next year by mid season is make or break.

Some good points here.

But, that first class that just gathered bodies was HIS FAULT.  He insisted on continuing to work for Bama for an additional month to 45 days to gather another ring for his finger, when he should have been working for UT on the recruiting trail.  He gets no pass from me on the pieced together first class.  He owns that, along with his ring from Bama.

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2020, 12:21:51 PM »
Some good points here.

But, that first class that just gathered bodies was HIS FAULT.  He insisted on continuing to work for Bama for an additional month to 45 days to gather another ring for his finger, when he should have been working for UT on the recruiting trail.  He gets no pass from me on the pieced together first class.  He owns that, along with his ring from Bama.
He recruited and signed most of his class during the break. 

There was limited time to recruit, evaluate, etc. The reports from all was he when not at practice recruited nonstop. Still the length of time which was short vs a year or two building a relationship is a lot, Essentially they were recruiting and picking though left overs and those that they could flip.

He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that. 

We knew this problem before he was hired a very short time left before the ESP.

Not trying to excuse him, just when you look at all the factors involved, event though it upsets me, I can not in good conscious judge him on that class.

This is as big of a turn around that Majors faced, the cupboard was that bare and the culture sucked. 

I do think we need a new QB coach, Neids needs to go back to TE's, we need a LB coach, maybe a new S&C coach, the DL and OL coaches need to be good hires as well. 

  
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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2020, 12:22:18 PM »
funny, as soon as JG was benched the allegations of violations came out, and JG bounced. 

I'm suggesting it once more- there was some sort of agreement between JG and Butch the school couldn't get out of... and now they have.  and now they have violations to contend with. 

JG was the problem with that team, period.  NOT the kid- as by all accounts he's a good kid... but the skill level he couldn't produce or did so sporadically... even the backs and receivers are tainted by his lack of skill evidenced in routes with Bailey or Strout (who is gone now too) at the helm... they'd slow down or almost stop when the ball was slung their way- accustomed to JG targeting them.  

for four seasons straight UT was hampered by negative asset at the QB position.  Don't tell me any other coach at any other tier would not have gave JG the bench long long ago... there was something there keeping him there- there had to be.  meanwhile, universities across the nation, some of which are just emerging (such as coastal carolina) somehow found functional QB's... some of them found good QB's... meanwhile, the QB position at UT was the anchor and the chains that kept them from producing.  

Everybody wants Pruitt's head on a platter- and i don't know why... that is one ugly fixture... however, i don't fault him completely- other than keeping JG playing, and I figure there is something to that we'll likely never know... I want to see what he can do next season.  I don't think he is the goat he's being accused of being, yet i don't think he's anywhere near the GOAT either.   If he can retain Gray... if he can retain Smalls... if he can retain the majority of the secondary... if he can replace Weinke... and.... I'm not sold on Chaney- he plays FAR too safe (but that may have been a JG adjustment too)... I think they'll be just fine next season.... and the season following I think they can truly compete for the championship again or at least be in the mix. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2020, 12:26:11 PM »
funny, as soon as JG was benched the allegations of violations came out, and JG bounced.

I'm suggesting it once more- there was some sort of agreement between JG and Butch the school couldn't get out of... and now they have.  and now they have violations to contend with.

JG was the problem with that team, period.  NOT the kid- as by all accounts he's a good kid... but the skill level he couldn't produce or did so sporadically... even the backs and receivers are tainted by his lack of skill evidenced in routes with Bailey or Strout (who is gone now too) at the helm... they'd slow down or almost stop when the ball was slung their way- accustomed to JG targeting them. 

for four seasons straight UT was hampered by negative asset at the QB position.  Don't tell me any other coach at any other tier would not have gave JG the bench long long ago... there was something there keeping him there- there had to be.  meanwhile, universities across the nation, some of which are just emerging (such as coastal carolina) somehow found functional QB's... some of them found good QB's... meanwhile, the QB position at UT was the anchor and the chains that kept them from producing. 

Everybody wants Pruitt's head on a platter- and i don't know why... that is one ugly fixture... however, i don't fault him completely- other than keeping JG playing, and I figure there is something to that we'll likely never know... I want to see what he can do next season.  I don't think he is the goat he's being accused of being, yet i don't think he's anywhere near the GOAT either.  If he can retain Gray... if he can retain Smalls... if he can retain the majority of the secondary... if he can replace Weinke... and.... I'm not sold on Chaney- he plays FAR too safe (but that may have been a JG adjustment too)... I think they'll be just fine next season.... and the season following I think they can truly compete for the championship again or at least be in the mix.
I like a lot of the young talent but they need a good season in the weight room and a good Spring Practice.

Chaney is a good OC he did well everywhere he has been. If we see the same play calling next year then we can say Pruitt is micromanaging to much.

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2020, 01:01:19 PM »
He recruited and signed most of his class during the break.

There was limited time to recruit, evaluate, etc. The reports from all was he when not at practice recruited nonstop. Still the length of time which was short vs a year or two building a relationship is a lot, Essentially they were recruiting and picking though left overs and those that they could flip.

He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that.

We knew this problem before he was hired a very short time left before the ESP.

Not trying to excuse him, just when you look at all the factors involved, event though it upsets me, I can not in good conscious judge him on that class.

This is as big of a turn around that Majors faced, the cupboard was that bare and the culture sucked.

I do think we need a new QB coach, Neids needs to go back to TE's, we need a LB coach, maybe a new S&C coach, the DL and OL coaches need to be good hires as well.

 
He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that. 

I remember Cutcliffe signing on the be our offensive coordinator as well.  He bailed after the last regular season game, before the National Championship game, and Randy Sanders called the first game of his career on the biggest stage.  Fortunately, we still won. 


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Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2020, 01:06:49 PM »
This is the problem I have with the "critics". They can't enjoy a great win and are only happy when there's something to complain about.
Our basketball team just blew out the #12 team in the country on the road.
The largest victory margin on the road against a top 20 team in school history
The # 1 tight end in this years freshmen class entered the transfer portal and says he wants to come play with his high school teammate ( Bailey).........and all we hear this morning is bitching and moaning.
Give it a rest for a day and enjoy the win.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2020, 01:11:14 PM »
This is the problem I have with the "critics". They can't enjoy a great win and are only happy when there's something to complain about.
Our basketball team just blew out the #12 team in the country on the road.
The largest victory margin on the road against a top 20 team in school history
The # 1 tight end in this years freshmen class entered the transfer portal and says he wants to come play with his high school teammate ( Bailey).........and all we hear this morning is bitching and moaning.
Give it a rest for a day and enjoy the win.
JMPO

The basketball team and it's success is great!

But, basketball ain't football.  Big time basketball has 20,000 seat arenas, and big time football has 100,000 seat cathedrals.  Not the same.

Football always drives the bus. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2020, 01:16:06 PM »
He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that.

I remember Cutcliffe signing on the be our offensive coordinator as well.  He bailed after the last regular season game, before the National Championship game, and Randy Sanders called the first game of his career on the biggest stage.  Fortunately, we still won.

Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.

 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2020, 01:19:03 PM »
Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.

 

Cool.

I'm glad we don't have to talk about Majors taking a decade to bring the program back to prominence, as an excuse to give Pruitt more time.

Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2020, 01:19:55 PM »
The basketball team and it's success is great!

But, basketball ain't football.  Big time basketball has 20,000 seat arenas, and big time football has 100,000 seat cathedrals.  Not the same.

Football always drives the bus. 
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is  will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2020, 01:25:06 PM »
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?  Sure, feel free.  Start a thread.  Whatever.
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.  So start a thread.  Like I said, football drives the bus.  Basketball doesn't garner the same interest. 
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.  Probably so.  Not sure what that has to do with the point of the thread?
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.  Probably so.  But, the thread is about his recruits and their performance.  Dan made some really good points about it.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.  Did someone demand that you come in here and participate?  It is not required as far as I know.


 

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