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Topic: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10

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Drew4UTk

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2022, 11:39:56 PM »
I hope CJH learned a lesson Saturday... you can never play not to lose else you're most likely going to.  

Milking the clock on the last possession was a bad plan.  Play like you did all game... if they'd lost, that would be ALL on the coach.  

Hooker carried that team almost exclusively.  

The UF coach is a tool.  He won't be their long.  

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2022, 06:23:34 AM »
I was surprised to see the UF coach get so ... animated with the refs.  I know little about him, but that wasn't a good look IMHO.

I think the first thing he HAS to do is top ten recruiting.  If he can't and stays 15-20, they will continue to be an 8-4 or 9-3 kind of program and he won't last.  That of course is true for every upper level aspiring program in the SEC.  You might stumble into a one hit wonder and then fade, but as we see at LSU that doesn't last either.


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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2022, 10:27:27 AM »
I was surprised to see the UF coach get so ... animated with the refs.  I know little about him, but that wasn't a good look IMHO.

I think the first thing he HAS to do is top ten recruiting.  If he can't and stays 15-20, they will continue to be an 8-4 or 9-3 kind of program and he won't last.  That of course is true for every upper level aspiring program in the SEC.  You might stumble into a one hit wonder and then fade, but as we see at LSU that doesn't last either.

I don't understand what you mean by that last sentence.  Please clarify.

I liked Napier at Lafayette and find myself hoping he does well in spite of him being the Florida coach.  I only got to check in occasionally on the UF/UT game so I missed whatever antics are being referred to.  I recorded it and hope to find time to watch in full.  We play both in the next few weeks and I like to know how bad we're going to lose.  

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2022, 11:02:30 AM »
so after a bit of settling down and better review of the game, my takeaways: 


  • UT isn't a bad team, but they need to figure out how to handle teams that play them with counters specific to the HUNH especially on fourth down. 
  • UF isn't as bad a team as advertised, but they are far from great. 
  • UT/UF rivalry is still alive, and anything attempted to learn about either team is just about a waste of time- both teams play differently, just like other rivalries across the nation when a highly touted team meets up with a non-ranked team who makes a game of it nobody expected. 
  • I still believe on a neutral field and if the rivalry could somehow be extracted from the game that UT would have won 

  • Hooker carried that team Saturday- his efforts can't be regarded enough.
  • The UF D gave UT every look in their bag, and every trippy play they could muster.
  • the zebras for this series are ALWAYS a factor- it makes no sense why a good squad can't be selected... they 'wanted' to be part of teh action and interjected themselves several times in what i can only explain as theatrics under the guise of "trying to get it right"... 



there was two major concerns which i've already spoke of- and that was CJH's playing not to lose by milking the clock and sitting on the ball the last possession.  That would have been catastrophic if UF could have came back.  This series is mired with weird endings- every time it's close UF gets some magic.. it's usually from the refs but this time it was witchcraft I'm pretty sure.  It almost worked.  Those cajun's know witchcraft far better than those swamp dwellers of Florida, so... "Play to Win and how you got there, Coach".   

the second concern of value is that friggin' prevent- which is just another flavor of playing not to lose.  I get it--- "don't let them behind you" --- but, dude, the QB can be rattled with pursuit and if the play gets broken the likelihood of a completion downfield is single digit.... don't give them freakin yards!  this ties into a sub concern about the secondary and one player in particular- #12... UF was 'picking' on him no matter which position he aligned be it wide out or slot.  he's targeted as the weakest link, and though he has the physical abilities he obviously hasn't been baptized into the system yet...  er- uh- at least i hope it's not the system.  it's hard to tell, and, the gators may have just caught him in quicksand and were exploiting it... if that is the case the DC should have spotted it quicker than I did and rotated positions..  

we may actually learn something about not only UT but the rest of the teams by the time UT lands in death valley.   the only thing to gather about UT will be via proxy, as some of their opponents will reveal where they are.  It's been said a team that can score 56+ is a good team... well... UT is good on O, then.. But the two teams with a pulse UT has played have both taken them to the wire.... the issue is, both of those teams have history with UT, and that cloud hampers visibility on actual stuff that matters. 

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2022, 12:43:07 PM »
Speaking of Death Valley, never let it be said that LSU fans can't be paranoid with the best of them.  But, hey, it's not paranoia when they're really out to get you.  

"We" are none too happy about the game being put at 11:00.  That is a crime against humanity.  Only the 11th morning game ever played in Tiger Stadium, and at least one of those was moved due to an incoming hurricane where evacuation was recommended later that evening.  (App. St. in 2008, iirc, was played at like 9 in the morning so everybody could get home, pack up, and leave the area).

"We" are also noticing that Tennessee has the week off while we're playing a night game at Auburn, followed by a morning game vs. UT.  So UT gets a whole week off, we don't even get a full week between games.  Some of "us" think the tilt is in, the SEC wants an undefeated UT facing off against an undefeated Bama and are doing whatever little things they can think of to help it happen.  

"I" generally don't ascribe to malice what can be explained with incompetence, and in that spirit, I doubt the conference is that clever, nor do I think they'd use whatever pull they have with the networks to make that happen, although I DO think the front office wants Bama/UT both undefeated and top 10.  

It still doesn't matter to me.  Day games suck, they're not our tradition, and the SEC has gone to bat for every team in this league to help them with this's and that's, except us.  Not once have they lifted a finger in any request or difference of intent.

Tennessee is probably a significantly better team than us and god knows what kind of shape we'll be in after a trip to the Plains, but I am pretty sure of one thing:  the players, no matter where they're from, seem to imbibe and embody the culture of the program.  I think the whole thing, the players, coaches, admin, fans, all of it, are gonna be pissed and spitting venom when UT comes to town.  Good luck with that.  This isn't a vintage LSU squad but there's enough there to be dangerous if things break the right way.  

Yeah, they really do take their night games that seriously.  We hate everything about CBS, their dumbazz 2:30 slot, and the fact that they keep using their night option at Alabama and not Baton Rouge.  Screw everything about it.  If Kelly is as good a coach as he's supposed to be, he'll find a way to convince the players that UT did this to them, and payback comes out of their backside.  

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2022, 10:27:02 AM »
Speaking of Death Valley, never let it be said that LSU fans can't be paranoid with the best of them.  But, hey, it's not paranoia when they're really out to get you. 

"We" are none too happy about the game being put at 11:00.  That is a crime against humanity.  Only the 11th morning game ever played in Tiger Stadium, and at least one of those was moved due to an incoming hurricane where evacuation was recommended later that evening.  (App. St. in 2008, iirc, was played at like 9 in the morning so everybody could get home, pack up, and leave the area).

"We" are also noticing that Tennessee has the week off while we're playing a night game at Auburn, followed by a morning game vs. UT.  So UT gets a whole week off, we don't even get a full week between games.  Some of "us" think the tilt is in, the SEC wants an undefeated UT facing off against an undefeated Bama and are doing whatever little things they can think of to help it happen. 

"I" generally don't ascribe to malice what can be explained with incompetence, and in that spirit, I doubt the conference is that clever, nor do I think they'd use whatever pull they have with the networks to make that happen, although I DO think the front office wants Bama/UT both undefeated and top 10. 

It still doesn't matter to me.  Day games suck, they're not our tradition, and the SEC has gone to bat for every team in this league to help them with this's and that's, except us.  Not once have they lifted a finger in any request or difference of intent.

Tennessee is probably a significantly better team than us and god knows what kind of shape we'll be in after a trip to the Plains, but I am pretty sure of one thing:  the players, no matter where they're from, seem to imbibe and embody the culture of the program.  I think the whole thing, the players, coaches, admin, fans, all of it, are gonna be pissed and spitting venom when UT comes to town.  Good luck with that.  This isn't a vintage LSU squad but there's enough there to be dangerous if things break the right way. 

Yeah, they really do take their night games that seriously.  We hate everything about CBS, their dumbazz 2:30 slot, and the fact that they keep using their night option at Alabama and not Baton Rouge.  Screw everything about it.  If Kelly is as good a coach as he's supposed to be, he'll find a way to convince the players that UT did this to them, and payback comes out of their backside. 


Only the 11th morning game ever played in Tiger Stadium

Day games suck, they're not our tradition, and the SEC has gone to bat for every team in this league to help them with this's and that's, except us.


These first 2 statements don't jive, and the below statement, I don't believe is true either.

 they keep using their night option at Alabama and not Baton Rouge.

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2022, 11:00:50 AM »
How much are start times determined by the networks?

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2022, 11:04:32 AM »
How much are start times determined by the networks?

I think near exclusively by draft.  And the network has locked in time slots.

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2022, 11:46:15 AM »

Only the 11th morning game ever played in Tiger Stadium

Day games suck, they're not our tradition, and the SEC has gone to bat for every team in this league to help them with this's and that's, except us.


These first 2 statements don't jive, and the below statement, I don't believe is true either.

they keep using their night option at Alabama and not Baton Rouge.


You didn't really explain what doesn't "jive," but on all accounts, I don't know what else to tell you.  LSU fans do not like day games, it's certainly not their tradition, and the other statements are a matter of record.  

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2022, 11:55:43 AM »
How much are start times determined by the networks?

Nearly completely.  As utee94 has explained, the networks have tiered rights to air conference games.  In our case, CBS has the Tier 1 option--they get the first pick, and it's going to air at 2:30 and there's nothing that can be done about that once a game is selected.  They have one double header per year, meaning they air an evening game in addition to the afternoon slot.  ESPN has the Tier 2 rights, and may air morning, afternoon, or evening slots, and this includes their entire family of networks, including the SEC-N.  They've been pretty decent in the past to allow LSU games to be in their night slots, which makes it all the more bizarre they selected Tennessee/LSU to go in the morning slot.  UT is a top ten team and that often further merits at least afternoon slots, if not evening ones.  The Big Ten is an exception here, as they seem to play a lot of their games in the morning, no matter their ranking.  Michigan, for example, never played a night game before 2011.  They can be a hot team and play at 11 a.m. and they're happy with that.  Tier 3 rights have more or less gone away since the advent of the SEC network, BTN, etc.  

The conferences have a likely very small amount of pull to use with the networks to have them pick games at times schools would prefer.  Nobody much cares for the most part, other than us, and as far as I know it's rare for the SEC to work with a network to make sure a game is at a certain time.  

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Re: AP Top 25 poll: Tennessee enters top 10
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2022, 12:00:26 PM »
The noon start for us is more palatable than the 11 AM start in the CTZ.

 

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