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Topic: Top 150 HCs - SEC only

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Cincydawg

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2019, 10:35:13 PM »
Looks good to me.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2019, 12:22:28 AM »
I'd start with 
1. Saban
2. Bryant
3. Neyland
..and go from there.
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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2019, 09:47:55 AM »
Does it really matter who is first or third or second?  We could probably group them as "elite" and "very good" etc, instead of bothering with 1,2,3, IMHO, but I view all these lists as irrelevant click bait anyway.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2019, 10:21:58 AM »
No, none of this matters, but it's just for fun.  You know, some meaningless silliness.  
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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2019, 03:43:44 PM »
Yeah, I like to enjoy the elite performers without arguing about who is #2 or #4, whatever.  Tennessee gave up zero points in the regular season in 1938, I think, and the year before they gave up like 6 or something.  UGA went 11-0 in 1946 and ended up ranked third behind two teams that had ties.  I claim it.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2019, 09:06:35 PM »
What would some of the earlier coaches like Bear Bryant do in the modern era with an 85 scholarship limit?

I mean, Bryant back in the day was stockpiling players and keeping them on the bench to keep them away from the competition. He could have run his 4th team out there and still competed at the same level.  Not true in today's landscape.
Coach Bryant never coached in the SEC (not even at Kentucky) without scholarship limits. The limits were the same for him as for all other SEC coaches. What you are saying is totally false.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2019, 09:10:11 PM »
Helmet programs back then did what helmet programs do now - get the best players and have depth with some more 'best' players.  But back then, they could have 8 instead of 4.  5 instead of 2.  And so on.
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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2019, 10:37:55 PM »
Wallace Wade would be in my Top 20 somewhere. Won three NCs in seven years. His undefeated 1925 team put Southern football on the map by winning the 1926 Rose bowl.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2019, 08:27:29 PM »
After those top 3, it opens up a bit.
Spurrier is interesting.  He gets a lot of credit for opening up the conference to modern offensive football.  Lauded as a great game day HC.  His 33 wins in a 3-year stretch at USCe might be his most impressive feat.  
His detractors were mostly jealous.  But just talking results, I've even heard people citing he ONLY won 1 NC.  If that's a mark against a guy, I'll take it.
In his 12 years, Florida mattered (aka was in the NC hunt in late November) in 10 of those years.


Personally, I think his trump card isn't the winning at Duke or Carolina, but he came into Florida - who had zero official SEC championships - and IMMEDIATELY started winning.  
First SEC game:  W at Alabama
First SEC season:  best conference record (probation)
No SEC titles?  How about 6 in 7 years? (including the "1st in the SEC" - 1990)
300 pass attempts usually leads the league?  And always by bad teams playing catch-up?  
No longer - let's throw it 400 times...and WIN!  
A 1:1 TD to INT ratio is decent?  Let's go 2:1.  Let's go 3:1.
20 TD passes will lead the league?  How about 25?  30?  35!


He began an renaissance.
Now, as a Gator myself, I know a few things that went in his favor.  He lucked into a salty defense when he came to Florida.  Legit DTs, LBs, and Ss.  Also, his disdain for recruiting wouldn't have worked elsewhere.  Sure, he could out X-and-O you, but once he was facing a more daunting schedule in the SEC, he was fortunate to be in the most fertile state for recruits.  It was only later in his career that he reluctantly made recruiting any kind of priority.  Things wouldn't have been so immediate or smooth without that defense that was already in place or the talent he couldn't help but acquire.
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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2019, 11:50:19 AM »
As you know, I think very highly of SOS.  I even think he's funny.  But of course I saw him out coach opponents like Mark Richt, so perhaps the bar isn't that high.

The Dawgs didn't have the horses, or the coaches, in the 90s.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2019, 11:53:07 AM »
James Wallace Butts Jr. (February 7, 1905 – December 17, 1973) was an American football player, coach, and college athletics administrator. He served as the head coach at the University of Georgia from 1939 to 1960, compiling a record of 140–86–9. His Georgia Bulldogs football teams won a national championships in 1942 and four Southeastern Conference titles (1942, 1946, 1948, 1959).

His 1946 team was undefeated also.  He's 15th on the list, probably about right.  That's 21 years and four conference titles, which is pretty decent.

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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2019, 09:34:45 AM »
Who is the best HC they omitted?  Hmmmm ....

Dan Mullen?  Might you include him?



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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2019, 11:19:52 AM »
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/47680-the-10-greatest-sec-coaches-of-all-time-part-one

This is an "interesting" list, and includes Frank Broyles as honorable mention, and has Saban at tenth, but it's from 2008.

8. Frank Thomas, Alabama (1931-1946): 115-24-7 (.812 pct), four SEC titles

Thomas was the coach who brought Alabama into the SEC when it formed in 1933.  In 1931 he accepted the job at Alabama, where he established himself as one of the top coaches in the nation.  He brought the Crimson Tide to prominence with bowl wins in the Rose, Orange, and Sugar.  He became the coach and mentor for Paul "Bear" Bryant.


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Re: Top 150 HCs - SEC only
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2019, 12:02:26 PM »
Who is the best HC they omitted?  Hmmmm ....

Dan Mullen?  Might you include him?




Several won more SEC Championships than some listed. Most notable of which is Bill Alexander of Georgia Tech who won three.



Paul Bryant (14) Kentucky (1) 1950; Alabama (13) 1961-64- 65-66-71-72-73-74-75-77-78-79-81
Nick Saban (8) LSU 2001-03; Alabama 2009-12-14-15-16-18

Johnny Vaught (6) Ole Miss 1947-54-55-60-62-63
Vince Dooley (6) Georgia 1966-68-76-80-81-82
Steve Spurrier (6) Florida 1991-93-94-95-96-2000

Bob Neyland (5) Tennessee 1938-39-40-46-51

Frank Thomas (4) Alabama 1933-34-37-45

Wally Butts (4) Georgia 1942-46-48-59

Pat Dye (4) Auburn 1983-87-88-89

Bill Alexander (3) Georgia Tech 1939-43-44

Johnny Majors (3) Tennessee 1985-89-90

Les Miles (2) LSU 2007-11

Phillip Fulmer (2) Tennessee 1997-98

Urban Meyer (2) Florida 2006-08

Bernie Moore (2) LSU 1935-36

Bobby Dodd (2) Georgia Tech 1951-52

Paul Dietzel (2) LSU 1958-61

Doug Dickey (2) Tennessee 1967-69

Mark Richt (2) Georgia 2002-05

Ted Cox (1) Tulane 1934

Red Dawson (1) Tulane 1939

Allyn McKeen (1) Mississippi State 1941

Henry Frnka (1) Tulane 1949

Red Drew (1) Alabama 1953

Bowden Wyatt (1) Tennessee 1956

Ralph Jordan (1) Auburn 1957

Charlie McClendon (1) LSU 1970

Fran Curci (1) Kentucky 1976
Bill Arnsparger (1) LSU 1986

Mike Archer (1) LSU 1988

Bill Curry (1) Alabama 1989

Gene Stallings (1) Alabama 1992

Mike DuBose (1) Alabama 1999
Tommy Tuberville (1) Auburn 2004

Gene Chizik (1) Auburn 2010

Gus Malzahn (1) Auburn 2013

Kirby Smart (1) Georgia 2017

Ed Orgeron  (1) LSU 2019

http://a.espncdn.com/sec/football/2019/Record%20Book.pdf

 

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