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Topic: In need of a HC

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2025, 12:01:35 AM »
I think the prevailing wisdom used to be--as you said above--he won't win an NC at Ole Miss.  But I'm not so sure what supports that in this day and age.  Ole Miss has shown a willingness to get with the times and pay to get the talent.  These Ole Miss teams have NC caliber talent, if they don't win one, some things either didn't break their way or he's doing a subpar job of coaching.  Either way, both of those things would still be factors at LSU or Florida, thus, it's silly to say "He won't win a NC at Ole Miss, but he could at LSU or Florida." 

Yeah, except for reality.  
Suggesting Ole Miss can/could win a NC under Kiffin goes against all the available evidence, in 2 different ways.
1 - Ole Miss has not won even a share (when that was a thing) of a CONFERENCE championship in 62 years.
2 - Still, amazingly, the last time a program won its first NC was my Florida Gators in 1996 - 29 years ago.  OM has never won an official NC (although they were robbed in 1960).

There is no support for Ole Miss being able to win a NC, especially in today's format, which makes any individual team's path to a NC the most difficult/unlikely in history.

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2025, 11:10:43 AM »
You're just telling us what has happened.  I'm positing that cfb operates in a different landscape now, and I need evidence or at least a theory as to why that's wrong.

Ole Miss had all the talent they needed last year, and lost three games.  That's on Kiffin.  Will he magically not do that at Florida or LSU?  Ole Miss is ahead of at least LSU in terms of getting their stuff together with NIL.  Does Kiffin stand a better chance at a place that hasn't done as well overall in the portal?  

I'm open to reasons as to why he'd do better here than Ole Miss, but telling me what has historically happened in a different landscape aren't it.  

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2025, 11:20:30 AM »
The whole Brian Kelly thing has me wary, smug, and jumpy.  I questioned prevailing wisdom that he'd do better at LSU because better players, resources, etc.  I looked at the recruiting composites and found ND had recruited as well as LSU.  When I brought that up, I got "Don't worry about it, you know LSU is a different animal than Notre Dame, who hasn't been relevant in forever," and "Recruiting composites are worthless and don't tell you about roster needs, blah blah."  Welp, I was right, talent wasn't his problem.  It wasn't at Notre Dame, and it wasn't for much of his time at LSU.  He just lost games he shouldn't have at Notre Dame, and he lost more of them when he played a tougher SEC schedule.  I mention this to say why I'm very cautious to think Kiffin will get over the hump here when he hasn't at Ole Miss.  It seems to me none of Ole Miss' past limitations really apply today.  He's gotten the recruits he wanted.  Kiffin strikes me as a "safe" hire with a high floor, who has a lot of bright spots, and who's also going to lose a few games and not have a team that's tough or consistent enough to play with the UGAs of the world.  They should've won the last two times they were in Baton Rouge, the fact that hapless Brian Kelly teams keep tagging them at home is a black mark on Kiffin's record and ability.  

If we wind up with him, I hope I'm wrong.  If Florida winds up with him or Ole Miss keeps him, I hope I'm right:D

All that said, I'll reiterate what I said earlier somewhere....he's probably the best that a team could get.  It's unlikely he'd have Kirby/Day level success, but he's probably the best bet for the next tier down.  

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2025, 06:33:40 PM »
Dude, I'll take a safe hire with a high floor.  We have sucked for too long!
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2025, 08:17:47 PM »
The whole Brian Kelly thing has me wary, smug, and jumpy.  I questioned prevailing wisdom that he'd do better at LSU because better players, resources, etc.  I looked at the recruiting composites and found ND had recruited as well as LSU.  When I brought that up, I got "Don't worry about it, you know LSU is a different animal than Notre Dame, who hasn't been relevant in forever," and "Recruiting composites are worthless and don't tell you about roster needs, blah blah."  Welp, I was right, talent wasn't his problem.  It wasn't at Notre Dame, and it wasn't for much of his time at LSU.  He just lost games he shouldn't have at Notre Dame, and he lost more of them when he played a tougher SEC schedule. . . .

I thought that Brian Kelly was a terrible fit at LSU. That fake cajun-accent thing he tried his first day or two just reinforced my opinion.

However, I don't know if that that is the reason he failed.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2025, 06:06:47 PM »
Dude, I'll take a safe hire with a high floor.  We have sucked for too long!

No quibbles there. 

Speaking of....supposedly LSU has offered him $90 mil (I don't know over what time frame) and something about a $25 mil NIL commitment, and then both Florida and Ole Miss have matched the offer.  Don't know if any of that is true.  LSU, it seems, has not learned from its giant commitment to Brian Kelly, which they currently are trying to get out of paying. 

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2025, 06:14:03 PM »
I thought that Brian Kelly was a terrible fit at LSU. That fake cajun-accent thing he tried his first day or two just reinforced my opinion.

However, I don't know if that that is the reason he failed.

No, the fake Cajun accent is not why he failed :)

(I know what you meant)

From what I've heard, he sounded like a bad fit for anywhere.  Multiple players have said when asked about how their daily routines are different without him there that it's really not, because they hardly ever talked to him or saw him.  One player said he's barely ever met Kelly.  Former players have said how weird they found his extreme distance, and that although the S&C coach and position coaches got way more face time with them, it's unusual for HC's to be as removed as these players say Kelly was.  It sounds like he just wanted to plan and for assistants to carry out his plans and for players to execute them, but he wasn't really interested in being a mentor or personal, or anything of that nature.  

To me, that would explain why there never seemed to be a firm culture or identity in the team.  Great coaches make a lot of use from the cult of personality phenomenon.  Players can't buy into a team identity you wish to set if they don't know you.  

 

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