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bamajoe

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2017, 02:08:21 PM »
That is a complete total nonsense argument. The purpose of the committee is to select the best four teams and not some arbitrary secondary method of choice. Just because a team wins its conference does not make it better than the second or even third place team of another conference.

FWIW I am completely reconciled to the fact that Alabama is not going to make the playoffs. Hocutt has defacto announced that Ohio will be in the playoffs if they beat Wisconsin. That is what he meant when he said there was little difference between 5-8.  Should Ohio be in the playoffs with their two blowout losses versus Alabama with it's one loss to Auburn? Hell no, but the Big 10 runs the NCAA and Ohio runs the Big 10.

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2017, 02:26:22 PM »
Being conference champ is an admitted positive on the list of criteria.  It counts.

There could be TWO slots open if TCU beats OU.


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Re: SECCG
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2017, 04:40:27 PM »
The committee is FAR more arbitrary than the old BCS system.  At least a third of that formula was set in stone before the season began, and the other two-thirds, while by vote, had an advantage over the current system in that so many more votes theoretically allows for more democratic opinion. 

Now, a small handful of people can do whatever they want.  It's much easier to put in who they want in, and they're accountable to nobody.  If the committee wants Alabama in, they're in.  If Alabama doesn't make it, it's because the committee didn't want them. 

Resume has so very little to do with it. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2017, 05:06:21 PM »
i agree with that. and said as much when the cfp came about. just use the bcs but take top 4 instead of 2. and stop tweaking every year.

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2017, 05:26:01 PM »
Being conference champ is an admitted positive on the list of criteria.  It counts.

There could be TWO slots open if TCU beats OU.
I wonder if the committee will act gun-shy about non-conf. champs after last year.  I don't think anybody would've thought TOO much about it, but the committee kinda drew attention to themselves with some comments they made which sounded at least a little like buyer's remorse with the whole Ohio State thing last season.  
No doubt in my mind they put OSU in mainly because of helmet factor.  Then they crapped the bed, and it wouldn't surprise me if that were a big factor in keeping Alabama out this year.
Which is a serious drawback, imo.  I've stated that based on resume (pending this weekend's CG's), I very well may not have Bama in my top 4.  But I don't trust the committee to do anything that wise.  I trust them a lot more to do a make-up call for Ohio State last year and block Alabama out....which is not a good reason at all to keep Bama out.  If they don't have Alabama in, they need better reasons than getting bit by the Buckeyes in days gone by.  

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2017, 06:25:59 PM »
I like the committee idea.

I think they get it pretty much right.  Sometimes there is no "right".


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Re: SECCG
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 07:47:12 PM »
I believe the committee idea has been a disaster. They have one criteria one day and change it the next. They tell us one day conference championships are very important then the next they put Ohio in and leave out conference champion Penn State who actually beat them head to head which is another criteria. They make TCU number three who then blows out their final opponent and then they arbitrarily move TCU completely out of the playoffs.

What about these weekly rankings? They go to great lengths broadcasting their rankings on a prime time television show. Then they say they wipe the slate clean and start again the following weekend. So, in effect, the rankings that they just did were completely useless. Does that make any sense to anybody?

You could do better with a saloon full of drunks. 

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 09:01:46 PM »
A conference championship is worth about half a win.  Ohio State obviously had but the one loss while PSU had two.  That is a rather important factor omitted in your "analysis".  

A one loss team has a leg up on a two loss team, obviously, and the CG win makes up about half the difference.

I like the committee approach.  I think they get it right most of the time and the fourth spot is likely to be somewhat controversial in most years with no clear answer.

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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 09:55:35 PM »
How do you guys feel about same-conference teams both getting in if they haven't played?  Does it matter if they already have?  What's the harm in letting 2 teams in from a conference if those 2 teams haven't settled it on the field (Bama-UGA this year, for instance)?
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Re: SECCG
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 12:55:47 AM »
A conference championship is worth about half a win.  Ohio State obviously had but the one loss while PSU had two.  That is a rather important factor omitted in your "analysis".  

A one loss team has a leg up on a two loss team, obviously, and the CG win makes up about half the difference.

I like the committee approach.  I think they get it right most of the time and the fourth spot is likely to be somewhat controversial in most years with no clear answer.
See, and I'd argue you seriously undervalue playing (and winning) an extra game, and against a division champ.  Depending on the situation, that may be plenty to offset an extra loss, especially if it's earlier on and depending on how much merit is being given to the "hottest teams right now."  
Which is why I personally like a sheer resume discussion at the end of the season.  Your power rankings and eyeball tests mean nothing to me, and they mean nothing to the real world.  

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2017, 07:15:31 AM »
Cincy, where are any of your representations documented about committee policies? The fact is the committee rules one way and a year later reverses course depending on their personal preferences. If their purpose is other than selecting the best four teams they should simply admit what they are doing which is politicking.

I would also like a justification of the secrecy of the meetings. Why are we the public denied insight into how these decisions are made?

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 10:39:02 AM »
The preference for conference champs is pretty clear in the public outline of what counts here.  The issue is comparing a one loss at large team versus a 2 loss conference champ.  Last year, they chose the former, I think because Ohio State beat Oklahoma.  Penn State had two losses, hence my comment that a conference championship is worth about half a win EXTRA.  So, last year Penn State who finished 11-2 was really something like 11.5 and 2, while Ohio State was 11 and 1.

I also think that fourth slot will routinely have a controversial pick.  If Wisconsin and OU win, it won't be this year.  The odds seem pretty good that one or both may lose.

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Re: SECCG
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 07:14:04 PM »
Looks like Georgia is going to win this thing.  Congrats to long-frustrated Dawg fans.

Wish that the late, great Mr. Hoople were around to see this.
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Re: SECCG
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 07:16:25 PM »
the ooga team playing right now is the one i've watched all season, not the one who lost to these guys earlier.  

MrHoople is watching, i'm certain of it.  He's sitting there with his wife, watching his beloved dawgs.  that would define heaven to him.  

 

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